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Nope, didn't think they were. Did a quick search and found:
http://www.waste-management-world.c.../the-lithium-battery-recycling-challenge.html
Doesn't look like a good thing cost wise or effective wise.
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Will The New York International Auto Show Have A Positive Impact On Em?
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Nope, didn't think they were. Did a quick search and found:
http://www.waste-management-world.c.../the-lithium-battery-recycling-challenge.html
Doesn't look like a good thing cost wise or effective wise.
Yes, the Elio was going to be Zelio's only vehicle. Technically, it could be my only vehicle as well, but I choose to buy and drive one luxury vehicle to have the & or option based on my driving mood, performance needs, and functionality.
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Ummm...
Here's what mining for, and the processing of, rare earth minerals in Mongolia looks like...
Check out the photographer with the mask at the beginning of the Video.
Poison for as far as the eye can see. This is just sad.
Click here for the video.
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A few points:
1) lithium is not a rare earth element. It's a very common element—more abundant than either lead or tin—and can be extracted from any number of sources. It doesn't have to be mined in exotic locations. It's a commodity metal. (It's also likely to be replaced by aluminum in the next five years, one of the most common elements on the planet,)
2) coal no longer accounts for 50% of electricity production. The number is now around 35%. The difference has been primarily picked up by gas, though wind has been doubling every couple of years. Since I work in the coal industry, this isn't as thrilling for me as it is for a lot of people, but it's an example of how amazingly quickly even a multi-trillion dollar infrastructure can pivot when market forces (i.e. fracking) change. Expect coal to hold on at around 33% till about 2020 because of existing base capacity, but there are no new coal plants under construction in the US. Not one. The average plant is pushing forty years old. They will be replaced by gas, wind, or other renewables.
3) though lots of "hummer is cleaner than Prius" emails have circulated over the years, numerous studies have shown it's not so. Hybrids are cleaner than conventional, and EVs produce significantly less pollution than even hybrids—and yes, that's cradle to grave. That's true even in the increasingly rare areas where coal dominates the electrical production.
3) if you have any interest in EVs, I'd suggest looking at a current generation Chevy Volt. With the new model coming and offering lots of improvements, sales of the existing model have fallen through the floor. There are some terrific deals available. I've owned two Volts and lived them both.
1) lithium is not a rare earth element. It's a very common element—more abundant than either lead or tin—and can be extracted from any number of sources. It doesn't have to be mined in exotic locations. It's a commodity metal. (It's also likely to be replaced by aluminum in the next five years, one of the most common elements on the planet,)
2) coal no longer accounts for 50% of electricity production. The number is now around 35%. The difference has been primarily picked up by gas, though wind has been doubling every couple of years. Since I work in the coal industry, this isn't as thrilling for me as it is for a lot of people, but it's an example of how amazingly quickly even a multi-trillion dollar infrastructure can pivot when market forces (i.e. fracking) change. Expect coal to hold on at around 33% till about 2020 because of existing base capacity, but there are no new coal plants under construction in the US. Not one. The average plant is pushing forty years old. They will be replaced by gas, wind, or other renewables.
3) though lots of "hummer is cleaner than Prius" emails have circulated over the years, numerous studies have shown it's not so. Hybrids are cleaner than conventional, and EVs produce significantly less pollution than even hybrids—and yes, that's cradle to grave. That's true even in the increasingly rare areas where coal dominates the electrical production.
3) if you have any interest in EVs, I'd suggest looking at a current generation Chevy Volt. With the new model coming and offering lots of improvements, sales of the existing model have fallen through the floor. There are some terrific deals available. I've owned two Volts and lived them both.
Great theory but nothing is free. Someone will be paying for the electric charging stations and the power they use. It will either be in the initial price of the vehicle or a tax charged on gas to discourage its use.
You are correct that it is not free. As Tesla pays for the charging stations, and the electricity they use, Tesla owners are actually paying for this service when they purchase a vehicle.
Also don't forget road taxes being assessed to EV's as states are moving that way. The Georgia legislature just passed a bill which requires EV's to be charged an extra registration fee of at least $200 each year to cover road taxes. States are experimenting with various methods of assessing road taxes to EV's, as they avoid paying them by not purchasing gas or diesel fuel, and I expect to see this become common practice over the next few years.
I hope the prices on EV's drop as they are expected to over the next couple of years because to survive they are going to have to sink or swim on their own. The artificial advantages which have been created by government are rapidly disappearing as not only are road taxes coming to EV's but a number of states who have EV tax incentives have, or are seriously considering, repealing them as Georgia has now also done.
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in NC the surcharge is $100 per year and as the number of EV's on the road increases, I'll be surprised if that isn't raised
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well, the big show is over .... the tour should be packing up so as to head south to Palm Beach, FL for this weekend's Barrett Jackson Auto Auction .... EM has a history of sending its tour to attend these auctions so they clearly believe it is beneficial for them to do so .... I'm looking forward to this week's release of registration numbers .... the NY show will probably contribute to the total for a good while to come
EM has definitely received a lot of publicity online from this showing and I expect to see more coverage coming from this exposure both online and in print. Media exposure is what really drives reservation numbers so hopefully this will help EM push those numbers higher. Even more importantly I hope EM was able to get some good exposure in terms of New York based investors as that is what EM truly needs the most right now.