Will The New York International Auto Show Have A Positive Impact On Em?

[TeamCoconutOreo]

Tesla Model S could have done it

http://my.teslamotors.com/goelectric#range

I went to the page and looked at the range graph, It would have been way too close for comfort, I drove with the cruise control set between 75-85 with the A/C running most of the time, only slowing down for the small towns. The P85d is expected to have a 280 mi range. That would be the equivalent of having my gas light turn on 50 miles away from home. That 280 mi range is under ideal test conditions. I truly doubt it would make it.

The Tesla is also a car that starts at $70,000. That's around 70% of my yearly salary. My opinion and my opinion only, The Tesla is a rich man's toy with limited capabilities. The only way that it compares to the potential of an Elio is that the Tesla is also an "and" car. Unless you live in a city and never drive more than 200 to 250 miles in a day the Tesla couldn't be your only vehicle, you would need some other vehicle. $70,000 for an "and" car is just ridiculous for most Americans.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

I feel battery powered cars are a pipe dream currently and they will not be a real green option for some time. About 85% of the USA uses fossil fuel (coal) to generate/create our electricity. The other is hydro generators (dams) and only about 1.5% comes from wind farms. I will not go into politics about our current administration about coal, solar and wind farms at this time... So we trade one carbon foot print for another. But the media acts like electricity is a clean source of energy without reviewing how it is created. It will need to be something like a nuclear power plant or other new technology that comes along to make electricity better than gasoline. Besides... the current chemicals in batteries are toxic and a fire hazard when charging or when damaged. It seems that this isn't noticed.

When you buy an electric car it is as if you purchased (up front) a storage tank full of fuel for the car's (or battery's) life. Then you have to spend more to be able to use that fuel (charging). This is one reason electric cars cost so much. Besides, you have to carry all the battery weight with you where ever you drive. This also reduced the vehicles range and performance.

Don't get me wrong... Electric motors are very efficient and deliver the full BHP thru their whole RPM range, unlike combustion engines. It is the creation of electricity that is the biggest issue... then it is the batteries.

Batteries are a fire hazard. We should replace it with a flammable, low vapor temp, liquid that has several toxic chemicals linked to lung cancer.

Whenever someone says that electrical cars pollute as much/more than internal combustion engines, i just have to laugh.

 

[Jeff Miller]

Batteries are a fire hazard. We should replace it with a flammable, low vapor temp, liquid that has several toxic chemicals linked to lung cancer.

Whenever someone says that electrical cars pollute as much/more than internal combustion engines, i just have to laugh.

Well if you ignore the cost of natural gas, smog from coal, and radioactive nuclear fuel used to generate the power for your ev and ignore the political, economic and environmental damages from mining precious metals for the batteries or the dumping of old toxic batteries on third world nations I guess it is pretty easy to think evs are clean and have a laugh.

I should be laughing every time somebody claims evs are our saviour from evil oil but it is so sad that I just can't.

 

[Graemexx]

http://my.teslamotors.com/goelectric#range

I went to the page and looked at the range graph, It would have been way too close for comfort, I drove with the cruise control set between 75-85 with the A/C running most of the time, only slowing down for the small towns. The P85d is expected to have a 280 mi range. That would be the equivalent of having my gas light turn on 50 miles away from home. That 280 mi range is under ideal test conditions. I truly doubt it would make it.

The Tesla is also a car that starts at $70,000. That's around 70% of my yearly salary. My opinion and my opinion only, The Tesla is a rich man's toy with limited capabilities. The only way that it compares to the potential of an Elio is that the Tesla is also an "and" car. Unless you live in a city and never drive more than 200 to 250 miles in a day the Tesla couldn't be your only vehicle, you would need some other vehicle. $70,000 for an "and" car is just ridiculous for most Americans.

It would be better if they installed a optional small generator to increase range

 

[Rickb]

Well if you ignore the cost of natural gas, smog from coal, and radioactive nuclear fuel used to generate the power for your ev and ignore the political, economic and environmental damages from mining precious metals for the batteries or the dumping of old toxic batteries on third world nations I guess it is pretty easy to think evs are clean and have a laugh.

I should be laughing every time somebody claims evs are our saviour from evil oil but it is so sad that I just can't.

Your issue of Mining Litium may be solved:

There are also major strides in recycling lithium from old batteries. EVs aren't the savior from evil oil, EV's are simply developing into a good alternative to help save evil oil. No laughing matter. EVs will help to guarantee your preferred future source of fuel will be, drilled in the USA , in adequate supply, and remain somewhat affordable. May as well support the EV efforts while driving your vehicle of choice.

 

[Sol Beach]

http://www.greencarreports.com/news...ess-event-in-nyc-touts-84-mpg-three-wheel-car

 

[Rickb]

http://my.teslamotors.com/goelectric#range

I went to the page and looked at the range graph, It would have been way too close for comfort, I drove with the cruise control set between 75-85 with the A/C running most of the time, only slowing down for the small towns. The P85d is expected to have a 280 mi range. That would be the equivalent of having my gas light turn on 50 miles away from home. That 280 mi range is under ideal test conditions. I truly doubt it would make it.

The Tesla is also a car that starts at $70,000. That's around 70% of my yearly salary. My opinion and my opinion only, The Tesla is a rich man's toy with limited capabilities. The only way that it compares to the potential of an Elio is that the Tesla is also an "and" car. Unless you live in a city and never drive more than 200 to 250 miles in a day the Tesla couldn't be your only vehicle, you would need some other vehicle. $70,000 for an "and" car is just ridiculous for most Americans.

The 2017 Tesla Model III at $35k will be a more affordable option. Also, there is Tesla's Supercharger network currently under construction across the USA which will allow Tesla owners FREE charging in 30 minutes while I stop to pee and grab a fresh cup of coffee every 200 miles and get back on the road to my cross country destination. Seems like a solution to the range issue.
Tesla just finished building a Super Charger down the block from where I live which means convenient Free Charging for my new 2017 Model III. Other Brand EVs must pay.

 

[Inigo93]

Unless you live in a city and never drive more than 200 to 250 miles in a day the Tesla couldn't be your only vehicle, you would need some other vehicle. $70,000 for an "and" car is just ridiculous for most Americans.

Agree that $70k makes the Tesla a rich man's car, but disagree that it has to be an "and" car. I've known people in the past who used bicycles for their daily use and when they needed something more called Hertz. The point being that for those who do not drive long distances on a regular basis, virtually *anything* could be their only car. Rental cars and trucks are readily available for that once-a-month trip to where ever. And if that's all the more often you need long distance, you'll probably save a crapload of money by renting that second car rather than owning it.

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

Well if you ignore the cost of natural gas, smog from coal, and radioactive nuclear fuel used to generate the power for your ev and ignore the political, economic and environmental damages from mining precious metals for the batteries or the dumping of old toxic batteries on third world nations I guess it is pretty easy to think evs are clean and have a laugh.

I should be laughing every time somebody claims evs are our saviour from evil oil but it is so sad that I just can't.

I'm sure you know Lithium batteries are nearly 100% recyclable right?
Didn't thinks so.

 

[AriLea]

I imagine that a combination of the flow battery and the exchange pack will be the ticket.

But if the US could manage large infrastructure projects the most efficient vehicle is a gondola with a electric motor running on a rail that can switch to different rails on request. A 300lb two person craft could be the result.