Will The New York International Auto Show Have A Positive Impact On Em?

[Kuda]

From your mouth straight to the divine's ears...

 

[ecdriver711]

What a great article. He should join our forum.

 

[pistonboy]

Do we have confirmation of that? I was wondering how the opening at the suspension would be in the new Year1, and that certainly goes along with the closed look I find in the 'Red' images Elio presented earlier. However there must be at least some openings and I personally haven't seen any presented yet. Anyone have a link to new ones?

If they do put the shocks inside, it would be consistent with their goal of higher MPG at low costs. I think at EM marketing the 84MPG/$6800 goal trumps things like having a techy exposed hardware look etc. The question is, if the traded cost of the inboard shocks offset very well with the 84mpg.

That opening can make quite a bit of difference to the MPG, just how much is a serious decision point for EM. In some test models I've worked on an opening like that could make as much as a 10% difference in aero drag, by itself raising 105mpg up to 110mpg(as an example). It just depends on the body form. With the suspension protruding out the side my guess is it is less of a difference, less than 5%. Only test results will better inform us on that.

Putting the shocks in the body undoubted improves mpg and the pull rod suspension is better. I am thinking of marking, not performance. I know I am repeating my self but, the elio is in a peculiar situation most vechicles to not find themselves in. It appeals to both the economy minded people and the sporty minded people. To maximize sales, the car should appeal to the most number of these groups and that means reaching a compromise. Moving the shocks into the body increases the mpg a little and pleases the mpg people. But I believe it takes away a major attraction of the sporty people. Does it appeal to more people this way or to less. This is what I mean by "mistake". No doubt this is a superior suspension, but I was talking about over all appeal. I believe having pictures of the P3 at the show was a good idea. It shows some of the elio possibilities. For many people, the elio will be a blank canvas to be changed to their taste.

In F1 pull rod suspensions, the equipment reducing sway is within the body and is the same way with the elio. With the diagonal shocks, I wonder if they had a traditional sway bar which attaches to the lower control arms. This would be ugly and taking away from the clean sporty look. Did the P3 even have sway bars?

There may be aftermarket kits available but I would be very, very reluctant to change a pull rod suspension. For those who like the look, perhaps mild extra shocks can be added in the diagonal position leaving the existing suspension, including shocks, unchanged. These could add some stiffness which is usually wanted in performance setups.

As far as appeal, suppose there was a P4 with P3 diagonal shocks, and P3 open fenders, and Michelin tweels.

I wonder what that would look like.

 

[pistonboy]

Have the people with connections heard if there is a noticeable increase in the reservations since the NY auto show started.

 

[WilliamH]

http://www.greencarreports.com/news...faces-to-launch-a-three-wheel-84-mpg-6800-car

Here's a quote you gotta love...............
......."
(5) Ultra-high fuel economy saves you very little extra money compared to pretty-good fuel economy because MPG is not the same as consumption (measured in gallons per 100 miles).

While it sounds good to go from 33 mpg (in a subcompact) to, say, 65 mpg, you only save 1.5 gallons every 100 miles.

The compromises to do that in a non-electrified car--including two seats and a motorcycle license in Elio's case--will likely turn off much of the potential low-cost buyer crowd.
".............

......."The compromises to do that in a non-electrified car"............
And there you have it! John Voelcker is a "true believer".
Of course you can buy 5 Elio for the cost of one of Tesla's latest and greatest. (hmmmmmm!)
If you did the same thing with a "hybrid" he would be so happy you might have to defibrillate him. And he would probably love it because it's electric.
According to his "Inside Business" bio he splits his time between the Catskill Mountains and New York City.
For those of you who don't know, the Catskill Mountains or the Catskills are a large area in the southeastern portion of the U.S. state of New York. They are located approximately 100 miles north-northwest of New York City and 40 miles southwest of Albany.
You can make it there (the Catskill Mountains), recharge overnight, and drive back (to New York City). Oh, and maybe a little running around.

I guess if that was my world, electric might be a viable solution, but it's a pretty small world.

 

[Rickb]

I like electric too. If Elio builds their autocycle you can bet in a few short years there will be an EV model. Perhaps an && vehicle. The autocycle's light weight may provide dramatic increases in range. I look forward to it, mostly because of increased performance and quiet ride in what would be a city & shorter range commuter to compliment my gas guzzling Elio cross country commuter.

I'm not sure I understand the general negative and or anti-EV comments. Nobody is forcing everybody to buy one, but is a nice option for those that may prefer EV's leaving more gas for others and their gas guzzling Elio. lol

 

[Ekh]

YES!
Absolutely!!,
I don't recall the exact quote but a famous personality said- I don't care what they say about me, as long as they are saying something

The exact quotation is from Oscar Wilde, who said: " There is only one thing in life worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about."

 

[WilliamH]

I like electric too. If Elio builds their autocycle you can bet in a few short years there will be an EV model. Perhaps an && vehicle. The autocycle's light weight may provide dramatic increases in range. I look forward to it, mostly because of increased performance and quiet ride in what would be a city & shorter range commuter to compliment my gas guzzling Elio cross country commuter.

I'm not sure I understand the general negative and or anti-EV comments. Nobody is forcing everybody to buy one, but is a nice option for those that may prefer EV's leaving more gas for others and their gas guzzling Elio. lol

I'm not anti EV, just realistic.
When someone tells me you can get 200 miles on a charge I have to ask realistic questions.

1. Winter or summer
2. Day or night
3. at what speed

If you tell at normal highway speed I'll laugh. That's between 65 and 85 where I live without getting a ticket.

US 83 past my sub development has a 75 MPH speed limit.​

If you say day time, that is without headlights.

How much additional current do headlights draw?​

Winter of summer? does heat or A/C use more energy in an electric car?

 

[Ekh]

Here's a quote you gotta love...............
......."
(5) Ultra-high fuel economy saves you very little extra money compared to pretty-good fuel economy because MPG is not the same as consumption (measured in gallons per 100 miles).

While it sounds good to go from 33 mpg (in a subcompact) to, say, 65 mpg, you only save 1.5 gallons every 100 miles.

The compromises to do that in a non-electrified car--including two seats and a motorcycle license in Elio's case--will likely turn off much of the potential low-cost buyer crowd.
".............

......."The compromises to do that in a non-electrified car"............
And there you have it! John Voelcker is a "true believer".
Of course you can buy 5 Elio for the cost of one of Tesla's latest and greatest. (hmmmmmm!)
If you did the same thing with a "hybrid" he would be so happy you might have to defibrillate him. And he would probably love it because it's electric.
According to his "Inside Business" bio he splits his time between the Catskill Mountains and New York City.
For those of you who don't know, the Catskill Mountains or the Catskills are a large area in the southeastern portion of the U.S. state of New York. They are located approximately 100 miles north-northwest of New York City and 40 miles southwest of Albany.
You can make it there (the Catskill Mountains), recharge overnight, and drive back (to New York City). Oh, and maybe a little running around.

I guess if that was my world, electric might be a viable solution, but it's a pretty small world.

This is a very sloppy thinker who expresses himself in even more sloppy writing. I hope he's got a total readership of 3: himself, his opinions, and his ego.

 

[John Painter]

Here's a quote you gotta love...............
......."
(5) Ultra-high fuel economy saves you very little extra money compared to pretty-good fuel economy because MPG is not the same as consumption (measured in gallons per 100 miles).

While it sounds good to go from 33 mpg (in a subcompact) to, say, 65 mpg, you only save 1.5 gallons every 100 miles.

The compromises to do that in a non-electrified car--including two seats and a motorcycle license in Elio's case--will likely turn off much of the potential low-cost buyer crowd.
".............

......."The compromises to do that in a non-electrified car"............
And there you have it! John Voelcker is a "true believer".
Of course you can buy 5 Elio for the cost of one of Tesla's latest and greatest. (hmmmmmm!)
If you did the same thing with a "hybrid" he would be so happy you might have to defibrillate him. And he would probably love it because it's electric.
According to his "Inside Business" bio he splits his time between the Catskill Mountains and New York City.
For those of you who don't know, the Catskill Mountains or the Catskills are a large area in the southeastern portion of the U.S. state of New York. They are located approximately 100 miles north-northwest of New York City and 40 miles southwest of Albany.
You can make it there (the Catskill Mountains), recharge overnight, and drive back (to New York City). Oh, and maybe a little running around.

I guess if that was my world, electric might be a viable solution, but it's a pretty small world.

Just like "new math" at my son's middle school; 'If two clowns with red noses and size 10 shoe's, are juggling 8 apples each, how many are colored blue?'