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The Real P5 ?

TeamCoconutOreo

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Don't most turbocharged engines require premium fuel?

Premium fuel is used on High compression and forced induction engines to stop pre-detonation. What happens is the fuel is heated to it's flash point and will self ignite before it's supposed to. The higher the octane level the more resistant to this effect the fuel will be. There are certain things that can be done to ward off pre-detonation such as lowering compression ratios, retarding timing and/or direct injection, but all have their limitations. Ford eliminated the need for higher octane fuel by using direct injection. This allows a more precise use of the fuel at the latest point possible, this keeps the fuel cooler. Add to that a few timing changes and like magic you make good power without the premium of extra gas.

Yes, you can reprogram the computer to optimize for higher octane fuel, giving you more power, but I'm sure the lower fuel cost is a big selling point.

However, without direct injection on the Elio engine, you would be very limited on how much boost you could use without premium fuel. You would only be able to use a few pounds of boost and your timing curve would have to be so retarded that the dollar for horsepower gain potential would not be worth the time or expense.

My experience with this is taking naturally aspirated engines and supercharging them. In one vehicle I used a Roots type blower with no cooling. This limited the amount of boost I could use, the other was also a roots type blower, only this one used Methanol injection to cool the air. With similar set ups and 9.5 compression ratio in both engines I was able to run 14 pounds of boost with no cooling and 21 with the methanol injection.
 
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Rickb, I hope you're getting the manual (stick) shift to compliment your aftermarket MOMO! MOMO and automatic shift just does not go together well! It's like an old man driving a 180+ mph Porsche automatic, it's just UGH! Lol. You want the look and effect of a racing car/trike, it needs to be stick shift and nothing else!:D

I agree but I'm too old for a stick shift Elio and don't have the cash on hand for the new Porsche GT3 which has a perfect dual clutch automatic. lol!
 

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You computer brains should find a picture of the P4 dash and the pic from above and post them SIDE by SIDE for evaluation.
I would but don't have the knowledge.

Willie
 

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The P4 Dash
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P5 Dash (looks like Red Hot Interior panels to me)
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No fight, but......
A creamsicle and black dash in a red car?
An automatic transmission shift lever in a manual trans car?
All of the "idiot" lights turned on?
I think you are wrong.
You have an interesting point. The color dash could have not been changed yet, and the "idiot" lights could be forced on for demonstration. However the transmission shift lever is a glaring discrepancy.

This dash has similarities to the P4 and what the P5 is suppose to resemble.

What is this: the P4.5?
 

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Thanks
If you look out the right window, looks like an orange fender on the P5?
Willie
Interesting..........could be they did the cad graphic layover of the proposed P5 dash onto the P4 creating the P4.5. We will know for certain tomorrow. The unveil is coming down to a few short hours.
 
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