WilliamH
Elio Addict
I just don't get it?
Are you really trying to be serious here?
I'm not the person trying to rationalize away the simple fact that a fairly good sampling of EM's present customer base does not want this thing.
That's what I keep having to reiterate everytime someone tries to rationalize or wish that simple fact away.
And you tell me that I'm only reiterating my opinion.
There is a difference between reiterating an opinion and reiterating a fact.
Yet people keep trying to spin, wish, explain and rationalize that fact away.
And I don't get it?
QUOTE: "You don't like it and we all understand that."
You... keep coming across as if I'm in a minority instead of a majority.
On the other hand, yes, you're absolutely correct about my opinion.
I try never to speak for others. Those polls speak for themselves.
Just as your posts are your own opinion and nothing more.
It's good to know the difference between facts and opinions.
I keep looking for simple facts in your posts.
Other than the simple undisputable fact that PE seems to currently have controlling interest in EM, I'm not finding a whole lot.
Perhaps we could go a bit further and call yours an intentionally uninformed opinion since you seem to want to express it without being willing to spend a couple of minutes to look up what it is you're actually talking about (my suggestion for a compromise).
It honestly reminds me of the tactic of a kid putting his hands over his ears and saying "La,la,la,la,la,la,la as loud has he can.
As far as your suggestion about sending correspondence to a company that, by all appearances, seems unwilling to even consider the possibility that certain tactics which history has proven to be detremental may affect their endeavor.
To that suggestion, I apply your own unprovokeded and unsolicited "mature" debate manuever, and ask you "Why?"
My compliments on how "mature" your own responses have been in this discussion.
Call you out? Yep. Why? Been there and delt with many who use those cheap types of 'turn-the-tables' diversion tactics when they've run out of "mature" and valid discussion points.
Calling you out because of such a "mature" discussion tactic as the one you resorted to is "very mature" on my part?
So then, indeed, is the diversion tactic of attempting to shift the direction of the discussion by you attempting to bring my maturity into question.
I'd say that's a classic demostration of the meaning of "ironic".
Please let the record show that this is the third time you've attempted a similar type of "mature" maneuver.
Similar, that is, to what you'd previously done twice that caused me to call BS (or, at the time, try to show some restraint in my verbage and "call you out") in the first place.
You really seem perfectly willing to lower a perfectly decent general discussion to a "playground level" and then try to convince all involved that the other party was responsible for exactly that.
Then you seem to want to pretend that you're a person coming from some sort of higher moral ground.
QUOTE: "Of course the one you suggested (VHX1017) amounts to a complete redesign of the dashboard."
How would you know? Are you telling me you looked up enough information to make that informed determination and are not just expressing another uninformed opinion, but you still won't spend two minutes to look up a post that would at least qualify you to talk about me, my original proposition and/or my opinions?
What's also ironic here is that no-one seems very eager to discuss my opinion that too many people seem to be drinking a tad too much kool-aid and believe that PE and EM (Sainthood or not) know best in all situations and can do no wrong.
Well Elmer,
You brought it up and seemed to want to change the focus of the discussion, to there ye be.
I apparently just never learned to debate in a manner, and on a level, that wins me the privilage of sitting at the "adult" table.
Enjoy the kool-aid, and I'll be "Wery, wery quiet" since you seem to have changed your mind about continuing the wabbit hunt.
By the way, real mature analogy there.
Oh, also BTW...
QUOTE: "A full panel (like what "elio amazed" suggested) costs around $850 without installation."
That's twice.
Do you have a habit of putting words into other people's mouths?
Especially ones that they never expressed in any medium.
When and exactly where did I actually "suggest" that?
Speaking for others again are you?
If that's the case, then it must be all right.
Not the truth, but I guess it must be all right if "we all" understand it to be so.
And Comp buddy, It may not be "His Company!" for very long if he continues to have this type of philosophy.
Much stranger things have often happened.
I've grown... up. But like the rest of my opinions, I'm being told that I've no facts to back that up and therefore it's not true.
I stand corrected.
Elio Amazed is not the person who suggested the VHX1017.
That proposal and research should be credited to Kuda
What Elio Amazed said in #1 was ....."With the 'old school' Metro dash, I could keep my eyes on the road and"........
So to recap, here is the approved Elio design ..........
This is the panel Elio Amazed mentioned...........
And this is what Kuda showed us ........
And what I said would call for an instrument panel redesign.
Oh, and incidentally costs $845/ea.
