Vote For The Elgin Dash

[Smitty901]

When it comes to that dash it is more a matter of being stuck with it. And waiting for an aftermarket replacement

 

[eddie66]

Just caught up to this thread, and have seen it all before as have many others
"We" are so few - Our "Poll "total doesn't equal 100 people (out of 45,000+)
The poll has less than 1/2 of the number that hates it- the others
love it or don't give a sh*t.
People who try to justify company decisions/designs on self-centered needs, or as frequently referred- narcissistic i.e. the dash should be changed because they need it is child like.
The decision to purchase this vehicle has been made before people even sit in it, and see the interior appointments, and since all of us (with very few exceptions) have actually driven one this is totally silly.
We have read endless posts about the vision being impaired by the lack of rear window, windshield posts that will block out the sun, fenders and width of the unit to cause concern in judgement- I read 'em all.
When you finally get your butt inside, ALL melts away. It ALL works.
I'm confident, that whatever the final product, the masses will flock to it, and for those who want to modify i- you'll have a beautiful vehicle to express yourself

I have seen on tour. Didn't like it, still don't. I have come to rest in the "don't give a sh*t", category. Just get it funded or it doesn't matter what it has if it doesn't come off the line.

 

[pistonboy]

I don't like it but will keep it until the vehicle warranty runs out. By that time I may be so accustomed to it, that I keep it.

However, how will store customers view it. (No pun intended)

 

[eddie66]

I don't like it but will keep it until the vehicle warranty runs out. By that time I may be so accustomed to it, that I keep it.

However, how will store customers view it. (No pun intended)

I'm pretty certain that if Elio really wanted to showcase the Elgin dash, they could have installed one in the prototype during the down week getting ready for N.Y.. Knowing the response they have already received from us, why would they? That way the new folks will find out later, like the rest of us did.

 

[Cache Man]

I agree. I would like to have a normal speed gauge with numbers and a needle. More of them and as few lights as possible. Also as many of us in this forum are not spring chickens, wouldn't mind for it to be pretty big. Kind of what they have on the mini cooper would be good for me. Looks old fashion and works and is easy to read.

I feel the Elio is not a "normal" car/motorcycle. This is one of the reasons I love the Elgin dash. It isn't like anything out there... just like the Elio. Why be normal when you can be abi - normal. And for all the old chickens, it reduces your head and eye movement watching the needles move up and down because the readout is always in one place. Can you get arthritis or carpel-tunnel in your eyes?

 

[eddie66]

I feel the Elio is not a "normal" car/motorcycle. This is one of the reasons I love the Elgin dash. It isn't like anything out there... just like the Elio. And for all the old chickens, it reduces your head and eye movement watching the needles move up and down because the readout is always in one place.

To each his own.

 

[Elio Amazed]

There seems to be a tremendous amount of effort spent here trying to explain and rationalize away the absolute facts of two different polls that involve 296 votes. Most of it sounds like those of us in the vast majority that voted either "No", "Hate it" or "Mixed feelings", are being told the equivalent of, "You just don't like it because you don't know any better." That borders on being insulting. And... yeah we do.

The dash reminds me of those old cardboard "pinwheel" calculators that you dial a couple of variables into and a resulting number appears in a window cut into the top of the cardboard. As far as any anticipated aesthetic improvement, I believe someone got it right when they posted about "lipstick on a pig".

As far as only having only theories (from both sides of the discussion), here's something you can try at home.
Get your hands on a cheap analog bathroom scale, place it on a surface and angle that simulates a dash's position in a vehicle, put enough pressure on it to hold a chosen number in the window, fluxuate that pressure slightly and try reading the moving numbers at a split-second downward glance (an honest simulation of what you do with the dash in your present car). Now imagine doing this traveling at highway speed.
Warning: It might be beneficial to have some dramamine handy.

What kind of tribute will this be if 75% of those driving the Elio have the thought that they would prefer something else in their vehicle every time they drive it? And 44% absolutely hate it? At least I suggested a very practical and reasonable alternative that would give both major concerns what they want. Because, according to some (at the same time that they're rationalizing like crazy) having or not having the Elgin dash is trivial and a non-issue. If it's a non-issue, the only logical and business-savey course of action would be to give the people what they want. No amount of rationalization is going to change the fact that the vast majority of people in these polls do not want the Elgin dash. And please do not come close to insulting us again by posting something basically along the line of 'Your choices are unqualified and therefore invalid because: many of you are biased by age, you haven't seen it all, you haven't considered all the possiblities and/or you haven't taken the overall big picture into account.' Again as intelligent adults, yeah we do, and yes, we have.

I find it interesting that no-one in the minority that's in favor of the dash has commented on my proposed compromise.

All those who feel that If the dash reaches the "testing" phase, it will already be too late, raise your hands.

As far as this albatross and projection of apparent id·i·o·syn·cra·sy affecting funding and/or future sales...
I owned and ran my a business for twenty years that dealt with maintaining multiple public images on a daily basis.
I respectfully disagree with your position(s) that this will not cost EM any sales.
Of course mine is just another opinion (qualified or not) as is yours.

I question my heroes when I feel that they've strayed from the path.
Many never question them. History is full of examples of disasters that have resulted from not doing so.
Faith? Yes.
Blind Faith No.
Other than the band.

House Of Lords - Can't find my way home
(Really kicks in @ 2:32)

 

['lio]

There seems to be a tremendous amount of effort spent here trying to explain and rationalize away the absolute facts of two different polls that involve 296 votes. Most of it sounds like those of us in the vast majority that voted either "No", "Hate it" or "Mixed feelings", are being told the equivalent of, "You just don't like it because you don't know any better." That borders on being insulting. And... yeah we do.

The dash reminds me of those old cardboard "pinwheel" calculators that you dial a couple of variables into and a resulting number appears in a window cut into the top of the cardboard. As far as any anticipated asthetic improvements, I believe someone got it right when they posted about "lipstick on a pig".

As far as only having only theories (from both sides of the discussion), here's something you can try at home.
Get your hands on a cheap analog bathroom scale, place on a surface and angle that simulates a dash's position in a vehicle, put enough pressure on it to hold a chosen number in the window, fluxuate that pressure slightly and try reading the moving numbers at a split-second downward glance (an honest simulation of what you do with the dash in your present car). Now imagine doing this traveling at highway speed.
Warning: It might just be beneficial to have some dramamine handy.

What kind of tribute will this be if 75% of those driving the Elio have the thought that they would prefer something else in their vehicle every time they drive it? And 44% absolutely hate it? At least I suggested a very practical and reasonable alternative that would give both major concerns what they want. Because, according to some (at the same time that they're rationalizing like crazy) having or not having the Elgin dash is trivial and a non-issue. If it's a non-issue, the only logical and business-savey course of action would be to give the people what they want. No amount of rationalization is going to change the fact that the vast majority of people in these polls do not want the Elgin dash. And please do not come close to insulting us again by posting something basically along the line of 'Your choices are unqualified and therefore invalid because: many of you are biased by age, you haven't seen it all, you haven't considered all the possiblities and/or you haven't taken the overall big picture into account.' Again as intelligent adults, yeah we do, and yes, we have.

I find it interesting that no-one in the minority that's in favor of the dash has commented on my proposed compromise.

All those who feel that If the dash reaches the "testing" phase, it will already be too late, raise your hands.

As far as this albatross and projection of apparent id·i·o·syn·cra·sy affecting funding and/or future sales...
I owned and ran my a business for twenty years that dealt with maintaining multiple public images on a daily basis.
I respectfully disagree with your position(s) that this will not cost EM any sales.
Of course mine is just another opinion (qualified or not) as is yours.

I question my heroes when I feel that they've strayed from the path.
Many do not. History is full of examples of disasters that have resulted from not doing so.
Faith? Yes.
Blind Faith? No.
Other than the band.

LOL I have driven and owned a couple of cars with speedometers that looked like the "cheap analog bathroom scale" you are referring to, and guess what? Due to engineering, sheer luck or out of spite, they didn't at all behave like your average "cheap analog bathroom scale" when the car was moving. They were actually very easy on the eyes and with, if memory serves correctly, about one to two inch tall numbers, were a lot better to read than your average road sign in the middle distance. Wonders of technology, or should I feel like a survivor?

 

[Cache Man]

There seems to be a tremendous amount of effort spent here trying to explain and rationalize away the absolute facts of two different polls that involve 296 votes. Most of it sounds like those of us in the vast majority that voted either "No", "Hate it" or "Mixed feelings", are being told the equivalent of, "You just don't like it because you don't know any better." That borders on being insulting. And... yeah we do.
....

It is apparent that you put forth a lot of effort to explain or rationalize those of us who like the Elgin dash are wrong in doing so. I feel it is Paul's choice and many historic things have happened when someone didn't follow the crowd. And yet in your comments you seem to point out that it is better to follow the crowd with the very common dash that most every car currently has.

As said, in the end Paul and his team will make the choice of what dash to use. I hope it is the Elgin, and I also respect your wishes to have it the common, everyday, run of the mill, spiny pointy arm thingy, archaic analog dial style dash.

I bet that someone said... you will loose sales if you don't keep fins on cars or stop making them look like a space craft Buck Rogers car. Ha!

 

['lio]

Just caught up to this thread, and have seen it all before as have many others
"We" are so few - Our "Poll "total doesn't equal 100 people (out of 45,000+)
The poll has less than 1/2 of the number that hates it- the others
love it or don't give a sh*t.
People who try to justify company decisions/designs on self-centered needs, or as frequently referred- narcissistic i.e. the dash should be changed because they need it is child like.
The decision to purchase this vehicle has been made before people even sit in it, and see the interior appointments, and since all of us (with very few exceptions) have actually driven one this is totally silly.
We have read endless posts about the vision being impaired by the lack of rear window, windshield posts that will block out the sun, fenders and width of the unit to cause concern in judgement- I read 'em all.
When you finally get your butt inside, ALL melts away. It ALL works.
I'm confident, that whatever the final product, the masses will flock to it, and for those who want to modify i- you'll have a beautiful vehicle to express yourself

Right, every single car or motorcycle I have ever owned had features that could have been different, more to my personal liking, but just as you say: in the end it all worked.