The Elio Engine

[FC]

Money is already spent on the Engine. They where going for a simple, inexpensive to build engine that maximizes the MPG out of the Elio.
Pretty sure alternate engines have been discussed before on the board.

 

[Grumpy Cat]

A Chorme-Nickle-Silicon (Nikasil), Nickle-Silicon-Carbide http://www.uschrome.com/nicom (NiCom) or https://usctechnologies.com/ (TriCom-600) is nothing new the motorcycle industry has been doing this for over 30 years it is a proven process and being the ELIO engine in in the 900cc range, it s a motorcycle engine. And should take advantage of all the tribal knowledge the motorcycle industry has attained. The Plating process is available across the country. These coating are tough you usually only have to replace the rings and piston when motorcycle engines wear out.
Example: the current Honda CRF450 used in motocross and flat track racing these engines are used and run with some of the highest piston speeds of any engine, day in and day out and only the rings and pistons need replacing. In the case of extreme destruction or increasing the displacement and over boring a re-plating is easily done (for aprox. $375 per cylinder). the transfer of heat is better then with steel liners and the cylinders expand the same rate as the pistons so better sealing across the warm up range is achieved with less oil blow by reducing cold start emissions. important feature dealing with the new Euro5 emissions standard.
You should NOT even think about using old fashioned Detroit automotive Technologies (it is out dated and dead). There is no reason a 900cc 3-cylinder cant produce at last 120 to 150 Crankshaft horse power (naturally asperated) with 120 Foot pounds of torque with 100,000 plus mileage reliability with very little to NO maintenance.
They already Exist and meet Euro5 emissions
Rotax 900 ACE HO https://www.rotax.com/en/products/rotax-powertrains/details/rotax-900-ace-ho.html
Renault Energy TCe 90

Also Yamaha and Triumph have 900cc Triples
The Austrian firm that designed the original ELIO motor at only 50 Horespower is a joke.
They ripped the investors off. I would be ashamed if I were them.
All they had to do was look around at what other engines are available. 50 horse power thats a joke for a 900cc engine. Sorry thats not a nice thing to say but thats the truth.
The Renault passes emissions. The engineering is done. They are stone reliable and in use today
Scrap the Austrian design.
View attachment 21709 View attachment 21710 Stop wasting money and start building the autocycle and Deliver the ELIO now.

You do know the engine is designed for mpg, not power, right?

 

[Samalross]

I think that IAV and Elio are in a legal dispute, until it is resolved I doubt that they will be using any more IAV engines.

 

[Grumpy Cat]

I think that IAV and Elio are in a legal dispute, until it is resolved I doubt that they will be using any more IAV engines.

Do you have proof of this? If that, that is hearsay and you need to stop.

 

[Samalross]

Do you have proof of this? If that, that is hearsay and you need to stop.

They mentioned that they were in a legal dispute with one of their suppliers. The only major suppliers are Technosport, Roush and IAV. There was a previous problem with Elio owing 1.6 million to IAV. They seem to be still dealing with Technosport and Roush. There has been no mention of the engine in the past year. It might not be IAV, but I doubt it.

 

[Grumpy Cat]

They mentioned that they were in a legal dispute with one of their suppliers. The only major suppliers are Technosport, Roush and IAV. There was a previous problem with Elio owing 1.6 million to IAV. They seem to be still dealing with Technosport and Roush. There has been no mention of the engine in the past year. It might not be IAV, but I doubt it.

Do you have information to back that up? I was not able to find such information.

If they were having issues with IAV, why would they have that on their page still?

https://www.eliomotors.com/iav-3/

As for IAV not being mentioned in a while, why does it matter? They've come out with the information. They are bringing new information out to us and not rehashing the same stuff every single day.

I still say, you are providing nothing but hearsay.

 

[Samalross]

First thing, hearsay is mentioning something that you overheard. The legal dispute over the payment was discussed on this sight some time ago, if it is so important to you to find the source, you can look it up. The legal dispute with the supplier was mentioned in the SEC findings, also easy for you to look up.

 

[Watashiwah]

Ask Elio Motors! Paul has mentioned transparency and knows investors, both current and future, have a right to know about such things. They have admitted to a pending legal problem, if EM elects then to not divulge, is it not fair to speculate? Of course it is! That what any objective forum should promote. Come clean or suffer speculation and rumor. Just maybe part of Elio's problems may have been avoided if there was more scrutiny (and honesty) along the way?

The engine always has been rather vaguely glossed over IMHO.

 

[JEBar]

something to keep in mind :

speculation is speculation .... facts are facts .... on this forum, presenting speculation as fact isn't the way we do business .... speculating in a manner to create controversy most certainly will result in moderation .... hopefully enough said

 

[Hootersnoocher]

First thing, hearsay is mentioning something that you overheard. The legal dispute over the payment was discussed on this sight some time ago, if it is so important to you to find the source, you can look it up. The legal dispute with the supplier was mentioned in the SEC findings, also easy for you to look up.

If YOU felt strong enough to bring it up, You prove your source and don't say things like " I heard.." I can't prove bullshit I can't find.