Reservations: 65341 As Of 6/20/2017

[WilliamH]

Another fine example of a civilized discussion resulting from one's opinions being disagreed with and one's beliefs being challenged.

News flash for all:

The original person that posted the picture of the sign at NASCAR stated that the picture was taken on February 27.
It's the exact same sign that they had at WPB April 17 - 19.

Here's the link for the NASCAR picture.

PE was asked if the motor "met their power and torque benchmarks" at the New York International Auto Show.
He answered "No". He went on to say that "everything was within 5% of their targets".
They have always said that their target for HP on the IAV engine was 55HP.
The New York International Auto Show was when?
Drumroll please...
March 25 - April 3.

Vassallo's sign at NASCAR and WPB states 60HP.
He's asked at WPB if the sign "is correct".
What's he going to say? NO?

The truth and this link to PE's quote will set you free.

OMG, how could this possibly be!
I feel so disillusioned and betrayed!

Blindly believing everything someone tells you and continually making excuses for them enables them.
They will not alter their current pattern of behavior until you stop enabling them.

I didn't even have to try to pretend to exaggerate on this one.
I'd offer up some crow, but we have vegans here.

I'm really not sure what your issue is.
........."everything was within 5% of their targets"..................
Would you have liked it if he said 'everything was within 9% of their targets' ?
And keep in mind that saying "within 5%" doesn't necessarily mean "Less" than the target.
Remember Lois Lerner's e-mails were lost and gone forever, until they found 6500 of them on a backup tape in W. Va.
(We don't know what they said, just that they exist, so it isn't political.)
And 5% of $6800 might be $7140 or $6460
And 5% of 84 might be 88 MPG or 80 MPG
And 5% of 49 might be 51 MPG or 47 MPG
Or it could mean some are up and some are down.
Not everyone needs a shysters disclaimer on everything.
How about a disclaimer on wedding vows?
Or on campaign promises?

 

[Rickb]

I don't believe any of us outside of the company know exactly where the project stands and that all of us outside the company are wondering .... the good news is, every day that passes brings us closer to production or to an acknowledgement that they can't go into production .... about all I can see is to sit back and watch

Sitting back and watching is exactly what I've been doing for 6 years. I'm uncertain if the company knows exactly where the project or the company stands.

 

[JEBar]

Sitting back and watching is exactly what I've been doing for 6 years. I'm uncertain if the company knows exactly where the project or the company stands.

understandable .... however, no matter how little they may know, they know volumes more than folks (like me) on the outside who have zero access to whatever pertinent inside info is available

 

[JEBar]

JEB doesn't like to call people trolls. He just sits in the back of the room and shouts AMEN! when somebody else shouts TROLL!

thank you for noticing .... experience has shown me that trying to have a rational conversation with folks who are angry and emotional seldom serves a constructive purpose .... that said, I do commend others who are still trying to do so

 

[RUCRAYZE]

Sitting back and watching is exactly what I've been doing for 6 years. I'm uncertain if the company knows exactly where the project or the company stands.

If it took you 6 years of sitting back to realize that EM is not "required" to serve up information to its reservationists, as they negotiate through this project. you could have saved your sitting, and just peeked in once in a while to see how much/or lack of progress has occurred. I hope we all get our "&" ASAP

 

[BaldGuy]

Though they might have thrown it in the bed of pickup enabling it to technically travel at 100+mph.

Funny stuff. When my jetski was new, people would ask how fast it would go. I'd be like, I had it doing 70 getting here. I just didn't mention it was on the trailer traveling the highway. LOL. Technically, I didn't lye.

Your point that Elio does have the habit of blurring there crunch numbers simulations with actual results is well taken and I do agree.

 

[Elio Amazed]

I'm really not sure what your issue is.
........."everything was within 5% of their targets"..................
Would you have liked it if he said 'everything was within 9% of their targets' ?
And keep in mind that saying "within 5%" doesn't necessarily mean "Less" than the target.
Remember Lois Lerner's e-mails were lost and gone forever, until they found 6500 of them on a backup tape in W. Va.
(We don't know what they said, just that they exist, so it isn't political.)
And 5% of $6800 might be $7140 or $6460
And 5% of 84 might be 88 MPG or 80 MPG
And 5% of 49 might be 51 MPG or 47 MPG
Or it could mean some are up and some are down.
Not everyone needs a shysters disclaimer on everything.
How about a disclaimer on wedding vows?
Or on campaign promises?

William, wouldn't it make sense that PE would never have left that in doubt if even one of the parameters was met or exceeded?
Something like, "We exceeded our targets on some of the specs and are within 5% of our targets on the rest".

Lois Lerner? Weddings? Campaign Promises?
I don't know what all that has to do with anything, but I commend you for trying.

 

[Elio Amazed]

yes .... its a most definite leap from because it hasn't been officially noted to it will never happen

over time I've found that exchanges of this type with folks don't accomplish anything positive .... some note it as feeding the trolls .... if you want direct info, how about going to one of the tour stops and ask your questions using the exact terminology of your choosing

There are several things people seem to retreat back to when running dry of anything else.
I've noticed catchwords like "positive" "accomplish" and "constructive" are abused a lot at that point.
Not that I would ever try to think, speak or conjecture for others as some very often seem to do.
Just what are we trying to "accomplish" on an overall daily basis here anyway, since you brought it up.
What is the definition of our mission?

"If you want..."______ (fill in this blank with most anything) "How about going..." and _____! (also fill in this blank with most any task).

I've recently found that people who's beliefs and opinions are being challenged often react similarly and predictibly.
They often puff chests and basically say, "Prove it" and "Put your money where your mouth is!" by suggesting a task as a test of validity.
Yeah, sure. I'll do that for you. Since you've resorted to going to the trouble of goading me with nonsense logic.

On second thought...

"...using the exact terminology of your choosing"
I seem to remember someone recently trying to goad me into a different, but similar, task by using almost identical "terminology".
Something about a redundant fourth poll? Nahhh. Couldn't be.

I don't believe any of us outside of the company know exactly where the project stands and that all of us outside the company are wondering .... the good news is, every day that passes brings us closer to production or to an acknowledgement that they can't go into production .... about all I can see is to sit back and watch

Absolutely. Amen.

thank you for noticing .... experience has shown me that trying to have a rational conversation with folks who are angry and emotional seldom serves a constructive purpose .... that said, I do commend others who are still trying to do so

It's been falsely implied that I jumped to a conclusion and now it's implied that I'm angry and emotional?

"...rational..." "...angry and emotional..." "...constructive..." "...commend others..."
Those are a few more words I've found that folks typically resort to when they themselves feel anger and emotion.

Can you perhaps say "projection" with a full command of it's meaning?

It's amazing when you think of just how many positive things we accomplish here on a daily basis.

Again, I certainly wouldn't think, speak, or conjecture for anyone else.
To try to end on a positive note, I'm certain It's all likely wild coincidence.
Rather like my observations about the tried and true good ship Elio Motors.

Disclaimer: No false statistics were supported, displayed or harmed in the making of this post.

 

[Spyche Chaos]

 

[WilliamH]

William, wouldn't it make sense that PE would never have left that in doubt if even one of the parameters was met or exceeded?
Something like, "We exceeded our targets on some of the specs and are within 5% of our targets on the rest".

Lois Lerner? Weddings? Campaign Promises?
I don't know what all that has to do with anything, but I commend you for trying.

..........."wouldn't it make sense that PE would never have.......".........
While I was being sued by the owner of a nursing home my attorney, who was admitted to practice before SCOTOS, advised me never to agree with that type of question. So on advice from counsel, 'No it would not make sense!'

If you don't know who Lois Lerner is Google her.

I remember a Vice President of the company I worked for answering a question by saying.........
"Those things which are verbally true may be factually inaccurate"

PE has no obligation to phrase things the way you want them nor do I.