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[WilliamH]

Could you qualify 60HP as being the latest quote with a link or reference to where and when it was stated?
The reason I ask is that Vassallo's 60HP quote conflicted with a later EM statement that said 95% of the 55HP goal was reached.
Keep in mind Vassallo did not say it will get almost 60HP, he clearly said it was getting almost 60HP.

.95 x 55HP = 52.25HP. And that may not even be right.
That vague percentage may refer to what they've projected as a target for the engine without the components yet to be installed.
I've learned that EM does nothing without a reason.
You can bet there's a reason they released a percentage and not a concrete HP number.
If that's the case, it may even be substantially lower than 52HP.

If "almost" 60HP is again the latest figure actually achieved, why the waffling?

I think the 60HP was on a sign at the Atlanta show.......... Or someplace in the South East. It was a NASCAR event as I recall.
Wish I could give you an exact date.

 

[WilliamH]

Could you qualify 60HP as being the latest quote with a link or reference to where and when it was stated?
The reason I ask is that Vassallo's 60HP quote conflicted with a later EM statement that said 95% of the 55HP goal was reached.
Keep in mind Vassallo did not say it will get almost 60HP, he clearly said it was getting almost 60HP.

.95 x 55HP = 52.25HP. And that may not even be right.
That vague percentage may refer to what they've projected as a target for the engine without the components yet to be installed.
I've learned that EM does nothing without a reason.
You can bet there's a reason they released a percentage and not a concrete HP number.
If that's the case, it may even be substantially lower than 52HP.

If "almost" 60HP is again the latest figure actually achieved, why the waffling?

I did my home work. It was at the Atlanta NASCAR event.
Here's the link.
http://www.elioowners.com/threads/elio-motors-and-nascar.5717/page-4#post-91208
It's on the sign in the second picture.

 

[RUCRAYZE]

Could you qualify 60HP as being the latest quote with a link or reference to where and when it was stated?
The reason I ask is that Vassallo's 60HP quote conflicted with a later EM statement that said 95% of the 55HP goal was reached.
Keep in mind Vassallo did not say it will get almost 60HP, he clearly said it was getting almost 60HP.

.95 x 55HP = 52.25HP. And that may not even be right.
That vague percentage may refer to what they've projected as a target for the engine without the components yet to be installed.
I've learned that EM does nothing without a reason.
You can bet there's a reason they released a percentage and not a concrete HP number.
If that's the case, it may even be substantially lower than 52HP.

If "almost" 60HP is again the latest figure actually achieved, why the waffling?

Could you qualify 60HP as being the latest quote with a link or reference to where and when it was stated?
The reason I ask is that Vassallo's 60HP quote conflicted with a later EM statement that said 95% of the 55HP goal was reached.
Keep in mind Vassallo did not say it will get almost 60HP, he clearly said it was getting almost 60HP.

.95 x 55HP = 52.25HP. And that may not even be right.
That vague percentage may refer to what they've projected as a target for the engine without the components yet to be installed.
I've learned that EM does nothing without a reason.
You can bet there's a reason they released a percentage and not a concrete HP number.
If that's the case, it may even be substantially lower than 52HP.

If "almost" 60HP is again the latest figure actually achieved, why the waffling?

I posted a picture of their sign/poster- look at thread- under events, "April 17-19th" post #21

 

[eliothegreat]

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Good post. I think you are right on most of this, except that I really don't think either the established automakers or big oil care at all what happens to Elio.

I would hope that somebody picks up the pieces after Elio implodes, but suspect that the EM has already poisoned the well.

 

[Elio Amazed]

I did my home work. It was at the Atlanta NASCAR event.
Here's the link.
http://www.elioowners.com/threads/elio-motors-and-nascar.5717/page-4#post-91208
It's on the sign in the second picture.

I posted a picture of their sign/poster- look at thread- under events, "April 17-19th" post #21

Thanks guys.

Look, I'm not trying to be an ass...
But that sign does not specifically say, "This engine produced 60HP in a dynomometer test."
As far as I know, no one from EM has verbally said exactly that either.
My edjumacated guess is that this is just another "projected" estimate and/or goal.
They've been showing signs that say "84mpg" and "$6800" with no disclaimers next to those statements for how long now?

C'mon, that's the way these guys roll.

Proof in the puddin': The sign also says 100+mph and the engine has never been installed in a vehicle.
Though they might have thrown it in the bed of pickup enabling it to technically travel at 100+mph.

But I doubt it.

 

[RUCRAYZE]

Thanks guys.

Look, I'm not trying to be an ass...
But that sign does not specifically say, "This engine produced 60HP in a dynomometer test."
As far as I know, no one from EM has verbally said exactly that either.
My edjumacated guess is that this is just another "projected" estimate and/or goal.
They've been showing signs that say "84mpg" and "$6800" with no disclaimers next to those statements for how long now?

C'mon, that's the way these guys roll.

Proof in the puddin': The sign also says 100+mph and the engine has never been installed in a vehicle.
Though they might have thrown it in the bed of pickup enabling it to technically travel at 100+mph.

But I doubt it.

From Jerome's mouth to my ear- WPB Barrett Auction 60hp, and clearly, as in no discussion ,to the consternation of a lot of folks- no options ONLY the Elgin dash

 

[RUCRAYZE]

Thanks guys.

Look, I'm not trying to be an ass...
But that sign does not specifically say, "This engine produced 60HP in a dynomometer test."
As far as I know, no one from EM has verbally said exactly that either.
My edjumacated guess is that this is just another "projected" estimate and/or goal.
They've been showing signs that say "84mpg" and "$6800" with no disclaimers next to those statements for how long now?

C'mon, that's the way these guys roll.

Proof in the puddin': The sign also says 100+mph and the engine has never been installed in a vehicle.
Though they might have thrown it in the bed of pickup enabling it to technically travel at 100+mph.

But I doubt it.

your choice to not believe it and your knowledge and insights of " how they roll" has no validity. I've decided you are , to your own denial , and only a truth seeker, that you are in fact trolling. Just to let you know I'm blocking your nonsense, so no need to reply to my post. Perhaps there remain others who when answering with facts, you move on to trying to pull chains. I hope we all get to enjoy our Elio.

 

[WilliamH]

From Jerome's mouth to my ear- WPB Barrett Auction 60hp, and clearly, as in no discussion ,to the consternation of a lot of folks- no options ONLY the Elgin dash

If / when they start exporting to Canada / Mexico and elsewhere, I'm wondering how they are going to deal with the MPH v. KPH calibration.
The odometer appears to be easy since that is digital. It's the "Elgin" dials that will be hard.

 

[JEBar]

Look, I'm not trying to be an ass...
But that sign does not specifically say, "This engine produced 60HP in a dynomometer test."
As far as I know, no one from EM has verbally said exactly that either.
My edjumacated guess is that this is just another "projected" estimate and/or goal.

at one of the last tour stops a member of this forum asked Jerome if the 60 hp showing on the banner at the show was correct he said it was ....

They've been showing signs that say "84mpg" and "$6800" with no disclaimers next to those statements for how long now?

from EM's website ===> "While other vehicles make their competitive claims within a few MPGs of one another, we needed Elio to take it to the stratosphere. As we continue to engineer the Elio for up to 84 MPG, we officially have liftoff."

Paul has repeatedly said to news reporters and other that they aren't all of the way down to $6800 but are close and still working on it

The sign also says 100+mph and the engine has never been installed in a vehicle.
Though they might have thrown it in the bed of pickup enabling it to technically travel at 100+mph.

IAV is reported to be one of the premier automotive engine designers in the industry .... they have been hired to design and build an engine to deliver te 100 mph/up to 84 mpg .... it is true that to date no evidence has been presented that those goals have been reached .... that is entirely different than jumping to a conclusion that they never will ....

But I doubt it.


C'mon, that's the way these guys roll.

folks have every right to doubt or believe as they wish .... they are marketing a product and as such have to present it in a favorable light .... burger joints show burgers in their ads that usually look much better than the ones that come across the counter .... point being no company plays down their product .... I really don't understand how that can come as a surprise

 

[JEBar]

your choice to not believe it and your knowledge and insights of " how they roll" has no validity. I've decided you are , to your own denial , and only a truth seeker, that you are in fact trolling. Just to let you know I'm blocking your nonsense, so no need to reply to my post. Perhaps there remain others who when answering with facts, you move on to trying to pull chains. I hope we all get to enjoy our Elio.

I'd already answered with the post above prior to reading your post .... sadly, I'm very close to reaching the same conclusion