Pictures Of The P5 With The New Motor

[Ekh]

Why wouldn't they use the Elio Red Hot off the shelf production color?

I don't think it exists yet. Perhaps isn't even really specified yet.

 

[Coss]

More pictures!!



September 28, 2015


Hello Coss,

One of the questions Paul Elio is asked frequently:

“Why did you build your own engine? Wouldn’t it have been easier to simply get one that’s already on the market?”

In a nutshell, nothing existed that provided the combination of power and fuel efficiency that gets us to 84 MPG while maintaining performance characteristics on par with today’s vehicles.

Elio Motors turned to IAV, one of the world’s pre-eminent engine builders, to design and build a new engine from the ground up. IAV has done work for the likes of Mercedes, Bentley and BMW and has un-paralleled technical expertise.

The first engine prototype was officially unveiled March 6, 2015. It was tested on a dynamometer, and then disassembled so each individual component could be analyzed. After making a few minor adjustments, another prototype engine was developed and assembled by IAV.

On September 21, 2015 that engine prototype was assembled to the Elio Motors P5 prototype frame, a major step forward in our development.

Now it’s time to keep the momentum going. The funds for the P5 and some of the most recent steps in the IAV engine development were made possible by a crowdfunding initiative we launched last March. Our latest crowdfunding initiative, in which you have expressed interest, will be used to develop another 25 engineering vehicles for a variety of testing and validation purposes.

Adding the engine to the P5 chassis is one of the most exciting milestones we’ve hit this year. We’re looking forward to rolling out the finished version in the near future, which in large part, this is all made possible thanks to the enthusiasm for Elio Motors exhibited by people like you. As we continue our journey to the production line, we wanted to thank you again for believing in our mission.

We look forward to keeping you updated as we move forward.

The Elio Team

 

[slinches]

Coss, you may want to sanitize those links. They have tracking information that could potentially expose your email address and link it to your account here.
[/internet privacy paranoia]

 

[Ekh]

Coss, you may want to sanitize those links. They have tracking information that could potentially expose your email address and link it to your account here.
[/internet privacy paranoia]

Which links? The ones back to EM? How does the tracking info thing work?

 

[slinches]

Hover over any of the links (the address should show up in the lower left corner of your browser) and compare that to ones in your own email and where the links actually send you.

They're probably using a third party to generate unique emails and the associated hashes that track who clicks them. It's probably not a huge deal, but if that company has their database hacked (or sells it so someone nefarious), someone could easily spoof an Elio email to install malware or do some targeted phishing.

 

[Ekh]

More pictures!!



September 28, 2015


Hello Coss,

One of the questions Paul Elio is asked frequently:

“Why did you build your own engine? Wouldn’t it have been easier to simply get one that’s already on the market?”

In a nutshell, nothing existed that provided the combination of power and fuel efficiency that gets us to 84 MPG while maintaining performance characteristics on par with today’s vehicles.

Elio Motors turned to IAV, one of the world’s pre-eminent engine builders, to design and build a new engine from the ground up. IAV has done work for the likes of Mercedes, Bentley and BMW and has un-paralleled technical expertise.

The first engine prototype was officially unveiled March 6, 2015. It was tested on a dynamometer, and then disassembled so each individual component could be analyzed. After making a few minor adjustments, another prototype engine was developed and assembled by IAV.

On September 21, 2015 that engine prototype was assembled to the Elio Motors P5 prototype frame, a major step forward in our development.

Now it’s time to keep the momentum going. The funds for the P5 and some of the most recent steps in the IAV engine development were made possible by a crowdfunding initiative we launched last March. Our latest crowdfunding initiative, in which you have expressed interest, will be used to develop another 25 engineering vehicles for a variety of testing and validation purposes.

Adding the engine to the P5 chassis is one of the most exciting milestones we’ve hit this year. We’re looking forward to rolling out the finished version in the near future, which in large part, this is all made possible thanks to the enthusiasm for Elio Motors exhibited by people like you. As we continue our journey to the production line, we wanted to thank you again for believing in our mission.

We look forward to keeping you updated as we move forward.

The Elio Team

The engine seems to be more or less resting on its mounts. There's only one bolt sticking up from the left hand mount (port side). But-- I think I spy the clutch pedal (which seems a lot like the pedal I used to use to kick stat a bike back in the day) in the lower right photo.

The hole for the steering column is obvious. How they will route stuff for the clutch fork, which is on the forward side of the engine, facing away from the driver's seat, seems more complicated. Ditto routing the steering linkages. LOTS of stuff to do, and I hope EM will continue the progress shots. They help a lot, both in understanding the product and in building our enthusiasm.

They really are making progress with this puppy. I can't wait til it gets sent off to obedience class!

Hover over any of the links (the address should show up in the lower left corner of your browser) and compare that to ones in your own email and where the links actually send you.

They're probably using a third party to generate unique emails and the associated hashes that track who clicks them. It's probably not a huge deal, but if that company has their database hacked (or sells it so someone nefarious), someone could easily spoof an Elio email to install malware or do some targeted phishing.

 

[Rob Croson]

The bucket seat shows up plainly in this one!

Looks like there's even room in there for two bucket seats, side by side.

 

[JEBar]

Why wouldn't they use the Elio Red Hot off the shelf production color?

for the same reason (whatever that may be) that the Creamsicle color of the P4 is not the same Creamsicle color that will be used on production vehicles ..

 

[skygazer6033]

Ekh --- The clutch system is actually very simple. The pedal box appears to have the mount for a hydraulic master cylinder. A steel line from the clutch cylinder around the frame to over the end of the transmission then a flex hose to the slave cylinder and you're done. Doesn't matter where the clutch fork is located. The procedure is the same. Shifter would use 2 teleflex cables for X and y axis shift control. There again a couple of cables and 4 brackets and you're done. I love manuals.

 

[Muzhik]

Thank you Muzhik. I have barked up this tree often enough -- but people don't get it that color, especially monitor color, is very inconsistent. Variables in the real world are the reflectivity of the surface, the depth and nature of the sealant, and any added chemicals (such as metallic bits) added to the paint.

Even the "popsicle" P4 looks very muddy in certain lights, and tends to photograph a bit green if the sun angle hits it just right.

So blue isn't blue, red isn't red, and yellow isn't yellow. It all depends, and I for one want to see it in the flesh, so to speak. But the on-screen version of Hot Red specs out to be around 40% blue (measured in RGB) -- I know, because I took the trouble to spec it out in Photoshop, and posted the results somewhere here. That's enough to shade it towards purple, and definitely to make it look very muddy if applied somehow to metal. I'm confident that's not what EM has in mind! If they want a really hot red, they'll put maybe 20-30% yellow and 5-10% black in it. That'll pop.

I used to work in a printer's shop, so color characteristics are something that I became very attuned to. To answer Rob Cronson's question (and probably in more detail than he ever wanted ) Pantone is a copyrighted database of color values. If you want to use a Pantone color, you have to pay up.

This color specificity is more important in things like printing glossy photographs or coloring textiles, or paints. CMYK refers to Cyan (blue), Magenta (red), Yellow (duh), and Black. This is mostly used in "painting with lights" as in your computer monitor screen. Over the years analogs have been developed so that you can give the CMYK values for a particular color on the computer screen and have that particular color generated by the paint manufacturer. The paint manufacturer undoubtedly has paid Pantone for the right to use its colors and its names for colors; that's how they confirm that they're getting consistent colors across batches. The paint manufacturer then gets to use the Pantone color names for pure colors (since the names are also copyrighted). You would mix the colors using some combination of CMYK values (since those are in the public domain). Once the colors have been mixed, however, you can call it whatever you want; which leads to a favorite question of mine that I've heard in more than one clothing store: "What are we calling "black" this year?"

I worked in a fabric store for a while. There were two main manufacturers of fleece that we stocked; both had a color they called "charcoal grey". Yet, one fleece clearly had more green in it. Made for some interesting conversations regarding matching colors.