Jay3wheel
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We are going to need a note from your wife, before anyone can accept this as reality!
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Lets Help Em Find $500.
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We are going to need a note from your wife, before anyone can accept this as reality!
Johnny Acree
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I know! go to all the venders. Ask for a 5% discount for the first year and offer to pay 2% bonus the next two years.
Remember year 2 and 3 will be at a higher volume. I think that could be a win win .
Remember year 2 and 3 will be at a higher volume. I think that could be a win win .
karl
Elio Addict
AC use is part of the EPA mileage numbers. It will most likely come with an off switch that will allow you to live without it. I find AC useful even in the colder months around here to dehumidify the air in the interior of vehicles from breathing and tracked in snow melting... You don't want it don't run it. Leave the basic package alone, simple. Price adding AC to your car today if you believe it is such a simple thing to retrofit.
Jeff Bowlsby
Elio Addict
Bolting on an A/C system that is predesigned to fit a vehicle as an optional accessory is a much easier task than installing an aftermarket generic A/C into a vehicle never designed for A/C like a vintage car, so the expensive aftermarket retrofit A/C system into a vehicle that needs to be modified to fit it is an invalid comparison.
A vehicles ventilation system allows outside air intake into the cabin, and recirculation within the cabin, that typically includes a heat source in the airstream - an airsteam which is simply airflow at faster vehicle speeds, and fan assisted where needed.. The ventilation system consists of ducting and valves that direct that air flow into the cabin, direct it at the glass for defrosting or at the feet etc as the occupant needs. Adding heat to the airstream can be switched either on or off. A/C is a just a cool air source (by removing heat from the airstream). Just because on modern vehicles one pushes a a button labelled "A/C" on the dash to get window defrosting does not mean that by eliminating the A/C system components, that the defrosting function is also deleted. You'll still have heat, and windshield defrost capabilities, with or without A/C. Heated air is actually what is needed for defrosting function, not cold air.
A vehicles ventilation system allows outside air intake into the cabin, and recirculation within the cabin, that typically includes a heat source in the airstream - an airsteam which is simply airflow at faster vehicle speeds, and fan assisted where needed.. The ventilation system consists of ducting and valves that direct that air flow into the cabin, direct it at the glass for defrosting or at the feet etc as the occupant needs. Adding heat to the airstream can be switched either on or off. A/C is a just a cool air source (by removing heat from the airstream). Just because on modern vehicles one pushes a a button labelled "A/C" on the dash to get window defrosting does not mean that by eliminating the A/C system components, that the defrosting function is also deleted. You'll still have heat, and windshield defrost capabilities, with or without A/C. Heated air is actually what is needed for defrosting function, not cold air.
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Ty
Elio Addict
Partly correct. Using the Ac compressor is how vehicles dry the Air that then defrosts your windshield. I'd challenge you to find a modern car that doesn't run the a.c. compressor when defrosting the windshield.
Jay3wheel
Elio Addict
The Polar Vortex has frozen some of our Yankee members brains. If I lived in Maine, I would not use the A/C very often.
Got to have AC. IMO
With the Elio being so narrow, a driver would be almost always exposed to Sunlight. A little cooling down is definately called for. Windows down at highway speeds all the time is nice, but usually digs into the milage. (I still plan on window tinting for mine)
AC in the Winter does multiple things, it dries out the air in the vehicle, providing comfort, as well as displacing condensation inside the windows as the car sits and cools.
By running AC when the defroster is on, it keeps the seals and O rings in the AC system lubricated as well!
The dash assembly will undoubtedly be one design. Including the AC plenum as part of the design for ALL Elios, just makes sense to me, as two seperate systems for heating and AC uses much more (and limited) room, and would probably not be as efficient.
To save though,, humm. How about a smaller rear wheel cover? Just large enough for the plate to be attached, unless you opt for the larger full cover?
With the Elio being so narrow, a driver would be almost always exposed to Sunlight. A little cooling down is definately called for. Windows down at highway speeds all the time is nice, but usually digs into the milage. (I still plan on window tinting for mine)
AC in the Winter does multiple things, it dries out the air in the vehicle, providing comfort, as well as displacing condensation inside the windows as the car sits and cools.
By running AC when the defroster is on, it keeps the seals and O rings in the AC system lubricated as well!
The dash assembly will undoubtedly be one design. Including the AC plenum as part of the design for ALL Elios, just makes sense to me, as two seperate systems for heating and AC uses much more (and limited) room, and would probably not be as efficient.
To save though,, humm. How about a smaller rear wheel cover? Just large enough for the plate to be attached, unless you opt for the larger full cover?
Ekh
Elio Addict
Here's the thing. Paul Elio is the world champ, Guiness-book record holder, of finding manufacturing cost savings. We are not going to second guess him or find ways to squeeze a nickel the way he does EVERY DAY. Last summer I was told by Jerry Vassallo that they were within $100 of their target $6800. I haven't seen any information contradicting this, though conditions change and something may have taken a drastic upward bounce.The way we do it at work (reduce cost) is to pit the vendors against themselves. Contract goes to the lowest bidder (that meets spec requirements of course). They do it every couple of years.
Example: We have these little titanium shims, about the size of a nickel, that were costing Boeing $525 each. We had $40k worth of the little buggers in stock because they are "as required", and we normally didn't require them. They finally got around to re-bidding them, now we're getting them for $3.25 each.
So I'm back to questioning the premise of this thread. Who said Elio were $500 over target? When? Where published. Saying "several blogs" is useless because they all feed off each other. The press seldom researches hard enough to verify what others publish.
So -- what EXACTLY is the source of this claim? Really, if Elio were that far off, we'd have heard about it before now. And if they were that far off, they wouldn't be clinging to the $6,800 number like limpets to a rock, which they are doing. They'd be back-pedaling.
It's late, late, late in the design phase to suddenly pull a $500 rabbit out of the hat. So, without authoritative word from EM, I am inclined to ignore this whole kerfluffle.