Financing Elio Motors Development And Production

[jetpack54]

Ok chief, so lets start with this recent link just this month:
http://gas2.org/2014/05/01/another-company-may-snatch-elio-motors-factory/

Snarky as that author may be, among several from him, the local commissioners likely understand clearly their relationship with EM is a bad bet, its not brought the promised jobs, nor will they, the locals know the operation is vaporware, go there yourself and ask others that will tell you whats not going on in the factory and how few are making anything there, the jobs are not materializing.

But, honestly, please should you know something different, nothing stalls and kills buildout plans and investment than uncertainty like that news. So please contribute the link that refutes this information, anxiously awaiting.

Plenty of others are closely following the information flow out of Elio and in and around where they are located. Just google the links yourself, you do the research/assessment. Just google "Elio financials" for example and you will quickly discover the debacle going on. Yes I know the pesky details that get in the way of your dream. If you ever had to create a post-grad business plan, this one is amateur hour, and is embarrassing.

Last, that said, instead why don't YOU provide ONE credible shred of evidence that this company has a real measureable and complete business strategy other than a pile of hype. Honestly, dazzle me with your incredible knowledge and experience why this B team is somehow ready for the big leagues.

Again, anxiously awaiting your informed opinion to set me straight.

I don't know what to say.....18,211 reservations as of May 22! I think nobody really cares about your opinion, I'm sorry to say. Here's an idea for you, with your sources and expertise, give us one definitive proof that can be verified by everybody that EM does not have any investor/s backing them up right now and I'll shut up! That's what you've been spreading here right? Elio does not have the money, does not have the legs, etc.to pull this off- well, this is the time to put your credibility on the line! Maybe you have some inside information that you can share with us. Then we'll be dazzled by your genius! Or like I suggested to you....be patient grandpa and maybe you get to ride in one next year....errr for you maybe 2016 because EM will deliver ours first you know what I mean!

 

[creekstone]

If whattheelf fails to provide links OR provides links to the non-credible "negative crap" we've seen before, that tells me all I need to know about whattheelf.

If Jo Borras is one of the "experts" you referenced earlier in this thread, I've already made my point. Thanks for playing.

 

[Neal]

Ok chief, so lets start with this recent link just this month:
http://gas2.org/2014/05/01/another-company-may-snatch-elio-motors-factory/

Snarky as that author may be, among several from him, the local commissioners likely understand clearly their relationship with EM is a bad bet, its not brought the promised jobs, nor will they, the locals know the operation is vaporware, go there yourself and ask others that will tell you whats not going on in the factory and how few are making anything there, the jobs are not materializing.

But, honestly, please should you know something different, nothing stalls and kills buildout plans and investment than uncertainty like that news. So please contribute the link that refutes this information, anxiously awaiting.

Plenty of others are closely following the information flow out of Elio and in and around where they are located. Just google the links yourself, you do the research/assessment. Just google "Elio financials" for example and you will quickly discover the debacle going on. Yes I know the pesky details that get in the way of your dream. If you ever had to create a post-grad business plan, this one is amateur hour, and is embarrassing.

Last, that said, instead why don't YOU provide ONE credible shred of evidence that this company has a real measureable and complete business strategy other than a pile of hype. Honestly, dazzle me with your incredible knowledge and experience why this B team is somehow ready for the big leagues.

Again, anxiously awaiting your informed opinion to set me straight.

Chief? That's cute. lol

Jo Borras has had an axe to grind with Elio since day 1 of the concept. He is just a douchebag with a blog.

 

[jetpack54]

You show me the proof Elio is back on track, share the reconciliation details, show me the jobs, show me the plant modifications, etc etc.

Also, refute this assessment in detail, chief, because you seem to be internet challenged:

http://cleantechnica.com/2013/08/19/paul-elio-motors-releases-financials/

Again, present one credible source or link to just one source that says this company will make it, I'm still waiting. You only get asked twice, after that your credibility is punted to the curb.

18,211 and still counting! You should place your reservation now so you can get in line! By the way, smart as you are, I've never seen an announcement from any company, big or small...and I mean from any that announces "hey fellas, we're new in the neighborhood but we're going to make it!" LOL. What's up with that statement???? Come on whatheef, get on board! We can use your knowledge here....heck maybe you can educate EM if you send them a message on how to run a profitable business.

 

[whattheelf]

18K, 20K, or 40K reservations, has no impact. Nothing I or any group of persons could do to save this debacle.

Just start with the caddo parrish commissioners for comment, the people that actually know whats going on. Jo Borras is just the middleman passing along the reality check you don't like, verbatim as of 2 WEEKS ago:

"Caddo Parish commissioner Stephanie Lynch, however, is more publicly critical of Elio’s chances to make it. In fact, Lynch “firmly believes it won’t happen” according to a local newspaper interview. Escude responded to that with “I don’t know if Elio Motors is coming or not. In the end, if you study the parish’s agreement that we made in our purchase of the General Motors facility, Elio wasn’t involved in that, at that point anymore.”

They openly admit Elio is "severely under capitalized". Time is not on their side, and no surge in "reservations" is going to save this company.

My only personal hope is that the design gets sold off as intellectual property, if there really is any. Fancy CAD drawings and pictures of prototypes do not qualify as IP, either.

So, soon as one of you "believers" can deliver credible details, save whats left of your uninformed opinions, you aren't qualified to play.

 

[Neal]

18K, 20K, or 40K reservations, has no impact. Nothing I or any group of persons could do to save this debacle.

Just start with the caddo parrish commissioners for comment, the people that actually know whats going on. Jo Borras is just the middleman passing along the reality check you don't like, verbatim as of 2 WEEKS ago:

"Caddo Parish commissioner Stephanie Lynch, however, is more publicly critical of Elio’s chances to make it. In fact, Lynch “firmly believes it won’t happen” according to a local newspaper interview. Escude responded to that with “I don’t know if Elio Motors is coming or not. In the end, if you study the parish’s agreement that we made in our purchase of the General Motors facility, Elio wasn’t involved in that, at that point anymore.”

They openly admit Elio is "severely under capitalized". Time is not on their side, and no surge in "reservations" is going to save this company.

My only personal hope is that the design gets sold off as intellectual property, if there really is any. Fancy CAD drawings and pictures of prototypes do not qualify as IP, either.

So, soon as one of you "believers" can deliver credible details, save whats left of your uninformed opinions, you aren't qualified to play.

CommissionerS? Try singular. She has also had it out for Elio since day one. She was the lone vote against Elio and tried to sue. It was tossed out of court. The other commisioners diagree with her.

 

[Jeff Porter]

Hi Whattheelf... just a couple of points from me... I hope I'm coming across with respect and calmness, not my intention to yell or be sarcastic or cruel.

• From you: "I don't post an informed perspective for my own jollies, I just hate to see people get hurt under "a sucker is born every minute" moniker." That's false. People you know, family, coworkers, friends, etc.? Yes, I'd buy that you are trying to help them. But folks on a forum that you will never meet and don't know... it's not in your intentions to save people from getting hurt. That's the cold harsh reality of the human element. If you are interested in helping save people from investing in Elio, this forum is not the place to do it. Where IS the place to do it? Not sure, but it ain't here.
• This Elio situation is one that's full of emotion. People can have an emotional attachment to their car, and to getting screwed by big oil companies. People have faith that Elio will pull through and get it done. When a person has faith and emotion, no amount of talk is going to convince them otherwise.

 

[Neal]

Hi Whattheelf... just a couple of points from me... I hope I'm coming across with respect and calmness, not my intention to yell or be sarcastic or cruel.

• From you: "I don't post an informed perspective for my own jollies, I just hate to see people get hurt under "a sucker is born every minute" moniker." That's false. People you know, family, coworkers, friends, etc.? Yes, I'd buy that you are trying to help them. But folks on a forum that you will never meet and don't know... it's not in your intentions to save people from getting hurt. That's the cold harsh reality of the human element. If you are interested in helping save people from investing in Elio, this forum is not the place to do it. Where IS the place to do it? Not sure, but it ain't here.
• This Elio situation is one that's full of emotion. People can have an emotional attachment to their car, and to getting screwed by big oil companies. People have faith that Elio will pull through and get it done. When a person has faith and emotion, no amount of talk is going to convince them otherwise.

Very well said

 

[jetpack54]

18K, 20K, or 40K reservations, has no impact. Nothing I or any group of persons could do to save this debacle.

Just start with the caddo parrish commissioners for comment, the people that actually know whats going on. Jo Borras is just the middleman passing along the reality check you don't like, verbatim as of 2 WEEKS ago:

"Caddo Parish commissioner Stephanie Lynch, however, is more publicly critical of Elio’s chances to make it. In fact, Lynch “firmly believes it won’t happen” according to a local newspaper interview. Escude responded to that with “I don’t know if Elio Motors is coming or not. In the end, if you study the parish’s agreement that we made in our purchase of the General Motors facility, Elio wasn’t involved in that, at that point anymore.”

They openly admit Elio is "severely under capitalized". Time is not on their side, and no surge in "reservations" is going to save this company.

My only personal hope is that the design gets sold off as intellectual property, if there really is any. Fancy CAD drawings and pictures of prototypes do not qualify as IP, either.

So, soon as one of you "believers" can deliver credible details, save whats left of your uninformed opinions, you aren't qualified to play.

Huhummmm, old news....try again! That's what you've got? EM is slowly but surely moving forward and if you don't step aside, well, you might get run over!

Hi Whattheelf... just a couple of points from me... I hope I'm coming across with respect and calmness, not my intention to yell or be sarcastic or cruel.

• From you: "I don't post an informed perspective for my own jollies, I just hate to see people get hurt under "a sucker is born every minute" moniker." That's false. People you know, family, coworkers, friends, etc.? Yes, I'd buy that you are trying to help them. But folks on a forum that you will never meet and don't know... it's not in your intentions to save people from getting hurt. That's the cold harsh reality of the human element. If you are interested in helping save people from investing in Elio, this forum is not the place to do it. Where IS the place to do it? Not sure, but it ain't here.
• This Elio situation is one that's full of emotion. People can have an emotional attachment to their car, and to getting screwed by big oil companies. People have faith that Elio will pull through and get it done. When a person has faith and emotion, no amount of talk is going to convince them otherwise.

Well I suggested he spend his energy getting hold of EM and talk to them about saving this company from what he "envisioned" as doomed from the beginning!

 

[whattheelf]

Hi Whattheelf... just a couple of points from me... I hope I'm coming across with respect and calmness, not my intention to yell or be sarcastic or cruel.

• From you: "I don't post an informed perspective for my own jollies, I just hate to see people get hurt under "a sucker is born every minute" moniker." That's false. People you know, family, coworkers, friends, etc.? Yes, I'd buy that you are trying to help them. But folks on a forum that you will never meet and don't know... it's not in your intentions to save people from getting hurt. That's the cold harsh reality of the human element. If you are interested in helping save people from investing in Elio, this forum is not the place to do it. Where IS the place to do it? Not sure, but it ain't here.
• This Elio situation is one that's full of emotion. People can have an emotional attachment to their car, and to getting screwed by big oil companies. People have faith that Elio will pull through and get it done. When a person has faith and emotion, no amount of talk is going to convince them otherwise.

Well, in my case at least my intentions are not false. I have seen way too many people get manipulated and taken advantage of in life, and not just in business, but in other half baked schemes like this. So, my intentions I can assure you are genuine, even though I know the internet and forums cultures are what they are, at least I can contribute from experience what the extremely high probability of calculated risks are with Elio, and then let the chips fall where they may.

Keep in mind I also won't be the guy back here a year or so from now telling anyone "I told you so" either, as when this happens the sting will be bad enough, it does not need to be twisted. Maybe then the people hurt by this hype will learn to make more informed decisions and opinions, as in the future we need more people thinking way beyond sound bytes to be able to solve the complex societal problems soon ahead.

I fully understand the emotional attachment people have with their cars, I have a large vehicle collection that I am rather attached to, and my portfolio has always been divested from big oil despite their returns they can offer, its not worth cashing in your soul to have more money, and its why I look forward this year to purchasing an electric car, solely recharged from my solar panel farm here on my property. I have no angst against a high mileage internal combustion engine vehicle like an Elio, but I do take issue when the professed vision behind this concept begins to prey upon people whom desire to contribute to something meaningful, somehow, which is not going to happen outside of an initial batch or two.