Anyone Else Think It Wont Happen?

[tonyspumoni]

Um, Harlan. I'm guessing the answer to your question is that 'not many' understand what you're talking about. I for one have already outted myself as a non-technician in the internal combustion engine space (I'm more of a 'big picture' guy, e.g. management).

But seriously, are you really that worried about IAV? They seem pretty reputable and given that they are front and center on this little shindig, if they boot it they are going to look pretty bad. I mean if you blow a new Merc motor down your leg, Merc is just likely to not use you anymore, Verdamt! But if you go on TV and s**t as 'the Elio Motor Supplier', and blow it, lots of regular people will know.

Crap - you're probably right. I probably wouldn't know IAV if they ran me over with a ceramic sleeved, long-stroke, whatchamadinger. Serving Wench! More wine.

 

[zelio]

I wonder how many people here understand what I am even talking about.

Understand the pros and cons of a long stroke motor?

Understand the pros and cons of 11.1 plus compression ratios?

Have ever ran a coated bore ? Or even simply took time to learn the pros and cons both good and bad?

And contrary to a few coments here
Bring up these issues. Not becuse I dislike the elio concept. Want it to fail.or am being negitive. Or any other such rot.
No I am not a smart guy eather. But I tend to learn from my mistakes.



and hopefully this gets up to the big guys at elio...
Every fiber of my being tells me make at least one thin walled iron sleeved prototype motor. you got to machine the bore out anyway so its not a huge task. Press a liner in there...
And do so in case the spray bores do not work in this engine.
So this project moves forward regardless.
They may well have done this. But who knows.

Coated pistons on the other hand have been working great. and do not blow motors or loose compression if they fail.
Tend to.work well with the cons of long stroke. And higher compression.

You know, at least once a month we get someone on here who claims to love the Elio but has a better, faster, cheaper, more expensive, uglier, more beautiful, whatever, way of doing it and they are absolutely positive they are right and Elio Motors is wrong. So get a clue. We have been there done that and heard it all. You are just one more person stirring the pot. It is your obsession, not ours. So be it. I'm out of here. :-) Z

 

[jetpack54]

Did it ever occurred to you that there are knowledgeable people in the engineering department at IAV that's exploring all the possibilities, all the benefits, all the pros and cons of going their route other than your route??? Did it ever occurred to you that they are working so hard to deliver this engine which is the soul of the Elio that can make or break this whole project? You're not the only one sweating over this but to question people here if they even understand what you're talking about is a classic case of "I know more than you" mindset! If this is not enough, did it ever occurred to you that they know fully well the implication of a failed motor before it's 1st or 2nd oil change??? Again, why can't we all trust the people working hard at EM to do their job? I think it's only fair.

 

[jetpack54]

You know, at least once a month we get someone on here who claims to love the Elio but has a better, faster, cheaper, more expensive, uglier, more beautiful, whatever, way of doing it and they are absolutely positive they are right and Elio Motors is wrong. So get a clue. We have been there done that and heard it all. You are just one more person stirring the pot. It is your obsession, not ours. So be it. I'm out of here. Z

I tell you this much, if I'm more knowledgeable than the IAV engineers, I won't waste my time in here! I'll gladly work for them and correct all their "mistakes"! Lol.

 

[karl]

Why would I be here if I was?

 

[Rickb]

Skeptic: a person inclined to question or doubt ALL accepted opinions.

 

[outsydthebox]

off the shelf components is a common thread in many discussions .... and while it is true with most items, the heart of an Elio, arguably the most important part, is anything but off the shelf .... its motor is unique to the point of being one of the kind .... its development diametrically opposes all of the advantages of costing less, having a proven track record, and being readily available

Jim

Do you really think that, based on the constant statement of EM's desire to use as much "off the shelf" content as possible, that they haven't seriously looked at every possible engine that is currently in production??

 

[outsydthebox]

Although I am enjoying the ride on the "Elio tour bus." It is a bit distressing when fellow passengers keep insisting that the driver doesn't know where he's going, or isn't driving fast enough, or should just take this "short cut", or "we're all going to die!"

 

[Rickb]

Do you really think that, based on the constant statement of EM's desire to use as much "off the shelf" content as possible, that they haven't seriously looked at every possible engine that is currently in production??

I thought Elio found the off the shelf engine that fit.......and then made the decision to spend some money to make it better in terms of HP and fuel economy. I trust Elio and IAV to design and build it right.........all I want is to drive the vehicle.......that is it for my automotive talent.......enjoying the drive.

 

[Dustman]

Call me "cautiously optimistic" - so I believe that is "other". I am "all in" but not for the grand, just $250, and that is where I will sit until I see some concrete progress. While other may downplay the dropoff in new reservations, I see that as a bad sign. After all, Elio is in the "marketing phase", and in sales, a 50% decline in daily reservations means trouble. In sales, that number is your ONLY KPI, so every effort is made to increase it. I will await further 'good news' but take it with a grain of salt unless I see actual movement. I am a backer of the E3 also, and that hasn't moved any either, after a very big publicity drive last year.
heres an E3 promo -

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I think we should bear in mind that we are talking about "reservations" and not "sales". One of my primary reasons for going "all-in" was to get my place in line. The second largest incentive was the 50% bonus, which is now reduced to only 25%. At what point does the "gamble" for a "place in line" outweigh the reasonable option to wait-and-see? Knowing that over 35,000 people already have reservations, of which approximately 11,000 are "first-in-line", at what point would I instead take a "wait-and-see" approach. IMO, the larger the number of reservations, the less incentive there is for anyone additional to risk their money. Some who thoroughly believe in the project will still want to jump ahead in line, but I think there is a "water down" effect that will preclude some to make a reservation and instead will just wait for the product to "hit the road".

And sorry for all of the "quotes".