zelio
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Racing catalog? That sounds like apples and oranges. How can you possibly compare an Elio with a racing performance vehicle? They are not quite two different species but almost. LOL :-) Z
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Anyone Else Think It Wont Happen?
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jetpack54
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Make it easy on yourself and wait until EM comes up with their pre production Elio w/ the brand new engine and their test results! Then you can ask all you want, doubt all you want and then DON'T buy it IF YOU DON'T WANT! It's really that simple. Everybody knows that! (commercial) Lol. I decided to MAKE A NON REFUNDABLE DEPOSIT AND ASK LATER! If this project is realized, I got me a cool 3 wheeler and I helped create jobs here in our own soil!
jetpack54
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The rest of the story lies from your last post " You don't know anything about anything"! So why don't you take it easy on yourself and wait until EM comes up with their pre production Elio w/ the brand new engine and their test results and like I said to the other poster here, then you can ask all you want, doubt all you want and then DON'T BUY IT IF YOU DON'T WANT! It's really that simple! Why waste your breath asking all these questions? We are not EM!!! Lol.
MK
from the charts of monthly reservations, its clear that the 50% bonus played a big part in pulling folks off of the fence .... I'm sure that there are many more folks on the fence for whom that bonus wasn't sufficient motivation .... getting the test results on the motor, crash protection, and such will provide many with the impetus needed to get off of the fence .... I also believe that there is a considerable pool of folks out there who are interested but who (for whatever reason) don't want one until later in 2016
Jim
Why waste your breath asking all these questions? We are not EM!!! Lol.
really, questions generate discussion and discussion is the lifeblood of a forum like this .... folks come here looking for info and assistance on matters that concern them .... granted for some of the questions, nobody here knows the answers .... I've been impressed with the way so many members keep up with info that has been released and are able to use it to answer questions on many points .... personally, I hope the questions keep coming
Jim
tonyspumoni
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One of the most interesting aspects of these forums is the constant reminder that no one is simple. Every one of us has a slightly different 'take' or mix of 'takes' on why he/she did/did not or will/will not put down money on this bet we call the Elio. Until I have title to one it won't be genuinely real to me, for example, whereas there are others who seem to be utterly convinced that it will come to pass. Harlan is right - there is little hard info. Where it gets interesting is in how two people can look at the same info and come to quite different conclusions.
Back in 2001 Wall Street was totally in love with the concept of the internet. Yahoo and AOL were the heavyweights and most rag sheets were pumping them as the coming profit engines. Google had, at that time, fewer than 50 employees. Now, in 2014, Google posted profits of 14.9 $bn, which probably exceeds the market caps of Yahoo and AOL combined. The message? In 2001 everyone had access to the same info but those who were skeptical of Google's model lost their shirts.
So should I pump Elio? Nope. I in fact share some of Harlan's reservations. But I'm not as familiar with the landscape of three wheelers as he is (I'm being serious here - this is not a dig), and so I look at what Elio proposes to do and has done and I see a core of workability, stripped of past history. Solid design with flexibility for adaptation in the face of unanticipated challenges? Check. Zero technological hurdles by using off the shelf components? Check. Good business model? Check. Good supply chain? Check. Savvy, experienced, and legitimate board? Check. The only downchecks I see are this religious adherence to first principles (it'll be 84 mpg, top speed 100 mph, and $6800), which some view as a positive and I view as slightly worrisome, and the lack of an evident and workable capitalization plan, which I have myself criticized.
Based on this viewpoint I see the odds of Elio getting enough momentum to produce 10,000 or so Elio's as in the range of 3:1, which makes betting $1000 bucks to 'win' $500 about right. Harlan is taking that bet (or I think he is). No need to kill the messenger and Harlan makes legitimate points. The bigger questions are (1) will Elio be able to get those 10,000 units made and sold at a profit while adhering to his own vision as an apparent zealot (lots of engineers display a frustrating lack of intellectual flexibility when it comes to the non-engineering aspects of their projects), and (2) will the market eat these up, providing a path to genuine sustainability.
Sorry in advance for the long post.
Back in 2001 Wall Street was totally in love with the concept of the internet. Yahoo and AOL were the heavyweights and most rag sheets were pumping them as the coming profit engines. Google had, at that time, fewer than 50 employees. Now, in 2014, Google posted profits of 14.9 $bn, which probably exceeds the market caps of Yahoo and AOL combined. The message? In 2001 everyone had access to the same info but those who were skeptical of Google's model lost their shirts.
So should I pump Elio? Nope. I in fact share some of Harlan's reservations. But I'm not as familiar with the landscape of three wheelers as he is (I'm being serious here - this is not a dig), and so I look at what Elio proposes to do and has done and I see a core of workability, stripped of past history. Solid design with flexibility for adaptation in the face of unanticipated challenges? Check. Zero technological hurdles by using off the shelf components? Check. Good business model? Check. Good supply chain? Check. Savvy, experienced, and legitimate board? Check. The only downchecks I see are this religious adherence to first principles (it'll be 84 mpg, top speed 100 mph, and $6800), which some view as a positive and I view as slightly worrisome, and the lack of an evident and workable capitalization plan, which I have myself criticized.
Based on this viewpoint I see the odds of Elio getting enough momentum to produce 10,000 or so Elio's as in the range of 3:1, which makes betting $1000 bucks to 'win' $500 about right. Harlan is taking that bet (or I think he is). No need to kill the messenger and Harlan makes legitimate points. The bigger questions are (1) will Elio be able to get those 10,000 units made and sold at a profit while adhering to his own vision as an apparent zealot (lots of engineers display a frustrating lack of intellectual flexibility when it comes to the non-engineering aspects of their projects), and (2) will the market eat these up, providing a path to genuine sustainability.
Sorry in advance for the long post.
zelio
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[/quote] The only downchecks I see are this religious adherence to first principles (it'll be 84 mpg, top speed 100 mph, and $6800), which some view as a positive and I view as slightly worrisome, and the lack of an evident and workable capitalization plan, which I have myself criticized.[/quote]
I don't see these as religious adherence so much as a dedication to the tenet that low/fixed income people, like myself, need and want an Elio. He wants to see us get them. There is no question we are in the extreme minority in the current reservation pool but Paul Elio is still saying our needs and wants still count to him. I, for one, am very, very grateful to him because moving the base price up even $1,000 will most likely eliminate me from the purchasing pool. I need a little money left over to pay for license and registration and am very grateful Oregon has no state sales tax. All of this helps me see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Z
I don't see these as religious adherence so much as a dedication to the tenet that low/fixed income people, like myself, need and want an Elio. He wants to see us get them. There is no question we are in the extreme minority in the current reservation pool but Paul Elio is still saying our needs and wants still count to him. I, for one, am very, very grateful to him because moving the base price up even $1,000 will most likely eliminate me from the purchasing pool. I need a little money left over to pay for license and registration and am very grateful Oregon has no state sales tax. All of this helps me see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Z
jetpack54
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Nothing's wrong with discussing and or even arguing about all the info. that has been released by EM. It's another discussing what HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED! Moreover, nothing's wrong with speculating what will or won't happen...what actual price it would be, etc. etc. except that I would rather get it straight from the source! But that's just me.
I would rather get it straight from the source! But that's just me.
I think most folks feel that way but with the rate EM is releasing info, there wouldn't be many post and little motivation to check into the forum as often as most of us seem to enjoy
Jim