What Milage Would You Accept To Get Your Elio?

[ecdriver711]

80mpg +

 

[champsman]

As long as EM delivers it , anything is better than what I am getting now

And I believe 90% feel the same way

 

[Husker1]

I’m getting between 38-44 in my Mini Cooper right now, which is twice what I was getting in my Sonoma. If I get around 70 in the Elio I would be ecstatic! I drive 86 miles round trip M-F so if I went a week on 6-7 gallons of gas I’d be super happy. But then again I’d probably deal with anything above 40.

 

[RSchneider]

The mileage that it gives has nothing to do with how fast you get your Elio. So I really don't understand the question. What it should be is this:
What level of quality and reliability are you willing to accept to get your Elio"

Elio could have you a car next week that gives 84 mpg but it could be a hunk of junk. Testing takes time and can be cut shorter if you just assume things will be fine and hope for the best. Quality suffers if you rush the project. Tesla had problems with the Model 3 because they were rushing to get to production. Look at all of the posts here talking about the quality issues with that car. If Elio makes cars that have ill fitting bumpers, the car rattling and the rear hatch leaking (just using generic examples) would you be OK with that? Would you be OK with when you get 5K on it, the ball joints are loose or the left window regulator breaks? Maybe it's no big deal if you work on your own car and it's a garage queen but for the thousands that can't and will rely on it everyday, they will be posting here their issues and then go to other outlets. That alone can hurt a company much more than anything.

Elio will be going through "manufacturing hell" because they have never built a car, let alone thousands of them on an assembly line. Assuming that they will get it right the first time is something that is not realistic. If they rush the job, then that "not getting it right" will be multiplied by 10. That is something Elio cannot afford.

 

[electroken]

Agreed that the question assumes a relationship between fuel mileage and time to market, and we don't know that to be the case.

If the question were rephrased to "What fuel mileage would I consider acceptable", the answer would be 60 mpg. My low-tech Kawasaki KLR650 regularly does 53 mpg, so I'd like to think a 30 year newer design with better aerodynamics could achieve 60 mpg.

 

[Trusting]

For what it's worth.... the way I understand it is, using the original Elio engine would give better mileage but take longer. Using the existing engine (Ford?) would not get as good mileage but would take less time.

 

[RSchneider]

For what it's worth.... the way I understand it is, using the original Elio engine would give better mileage but take longer. Using the existing engine (Ford?) would not get as good mileage but would take less time.

Technically, we have no idea what the Elio gets in mileage. All we know is "up to 84 mpg". So, it could be between 1 and 84 mpg. Also, Elio has only done a simulation as to what the mileage would be (from the SEC filings). At this point we just have to go with the up to 84 mpg and wait. I know that they will save time with a off the shelf motor but I didn't realize it was going to get worse gas mileage over the Elio engine. Hopefully it will get 80 on the highway and 49 in the city.

On a side note, just under 61 weeks until the end of 2019. As for the longest item on the timeline, Elio needs 72 weeks for the ECO body shop. That is independent of any of the R&D along with testing. Hopefully they will come out with a new SEC filing and an updated timeline since the last one was in 21 weeks ago.

 

[Husker1]

The mileage that it gives has nothing to do with how fast you get your Elio. So I really don't understand the question. What it should be is this:
What level of quality and reliability are you willing to accept to get your Elio

Agreed that the question assumes a relationship between fuel mileage and time to market, and we don't know that to be the case.

If the question were rephrased to "What fuel mileage would I consider acceptable", the answer would be 60 mpg. My low-tech Kawasaki KLR650 regularly does 53 mpg, so I'd like to think a 30 year newer design with better aerodynamics could achieve 60 mpg.

I think you guys are taking this question a little too seriously. He was throwing out a hypothetical situation saying hey what would you except for fuel mileage if you if you could get your Elio in say 6 months instead of 12.
And comparing it with the mileage that you get on your motorcycle I don’t think so!

 

[electroken]

I think you guys are taking this question a little too seriously. He was throwing out a hypothetical situation saying hey what would you except for fuel mileage if you if you could get your Elio in say 6 months instead of 12.
And comparing it with the mileage that you get on your motorcycle I don’t think so!

Please feel free to explain why such a comparison is invalid.

The KLR650 I've referred to is a carbureted design from 1987. No variable valve timing or any of the other modern goodies that increase efficiency. Now add the poor aerodynamics into the mix. This thing has a 35 inch seat, which puts my giant head above the roof of many cars.

Why shouldn't a vehicle designed specifically for fuel efficiency do better than that?

 

[booboo]

8 x 84 = 672
10 x 67.2 = 672
Give me a 10gal tank and 67 will do.
Give me a 13.5gal tank and 50 will do.
Etc, Etc.