Time To "get 'er Done"

[NSTG8R]

The P4 is being tweaked here and there... throwing the engine in the current p4 would not produce accurate information.

Possibly throw off the numbers a bit, but having the actual engine mounted in the vehicle would definitely be better for marketing than popping the hood and seeing a beat up old Geo Metro engine, and having to imagine what it would look/sound like.

 

[WilliamH]

The P4 is being tweaked here and there... throwing the engine in the current p4 would not produce accurate information.

Not to mention that in order for this to provide any reasonable information the entire drive line would have to be ripped out of the current P4 and the new engine and the correct transmission, CV joints and other miscellaneous parts would also have to be installed. And then, do we upgrade the the current steering column and the bodywork around the shift lever to make it look more like the final production model? And at that point what exactly have we accomplished since some of the 3-D modeling that our folks on this thread have been working on indicates significant changes in the roof line and the rear windows. (Windows behind the B pillar) It seems that this "throwing the prototype engine in" would turn into an exercise in futility.

 

[goofyone]

I doubt we will see a complete rebuild of the P4 however it would not surprise me at all if at some point EM decides to replace the Geo engine with one of their IAV engines. Not too big a deal to have done and would be a nice upgrade to bring the vehicle closer to the production version without having to strip everything down and rebuild it. This would indeed be more for show than engineering purposes however at this point the P4 has already completed most of its engineering work anyhow.

 

[Folks]

Possibly throw off the numbers a bit, but having the actual engine mounted in the vehicle would definitely be better for marketing than popping the hood and seeing a beat up old Geo Metro engine, and having to imagine what it would look/sound like.

Yeah, I wonder who is going to get to keep the Plastic mockup they're carrying around at the shows. I'd display it in my living room like a trophy or something.

 

[jetpack54]

I doubt we will see a complete rebuild of the P4 however it would not surprise me at all if at some point EM decides to replace the Geo engine with one of their IAV engines. Not too big a deal to have done and would be a nice upgrade to bring the vehicle closer to the production version without having to strip everything down and rebuild it. This would indeed be more for show than engineering purposes however at this point the P4 has already completed most of its engineering work anyhow.

G1, as always you see sense in everything! Listen, we're all in this together and my suggestions was not negative at all, for those that just want to "relax, sit back, and enjoy the ride", that's well and good. At least some of us are not too relaxed and thinking of some ways to bring in more interest on this project like installing the actual "new" motor for everybody to see on their tours!

 

[jetpack54]

Respectfully speaking, you are not an investor. You did not buy stock in the company. You read an agreement online which said that you understood that the product you were paying money for might never be built and that you might never receive the product. Somehow that does not sound like the description of an investor. You decided to put up money with no guarantee of any return and now you are complaining that you have no voice. Sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride. We will either get our new Elios or we won't. Taking your only engine and your only chassis and beating around the track while not on display is not a sensible strategy.

Respectfully speaking, at least try to do a little research and look up the definition of investor. Let me enlighten you a bit- you don't have to buy stock to be an investor - any money you put in a project or business, does not always equate to a return of your investment- you can also lose all your money which is the same w/ putting a non refundable deposit on an ELIO! But if you re-read my post, my central topic is not about my deposit at all, it's about bringing a lot more interest and most definitely more deposits by installing the new engine in the P4 on their tours! Maybe that's a little too complicated for you to understand, and that's ok.

 

[Folks]

Actually, I spent years as an accountant. Direct comparison of costs was one of the things that I did to earn my keep. What is impossible, is to justify an extra $490K in different labor and materials. Extra labor - of course. Different, higher cost materials - clearly. Volume discounts - obviously. But that can only account for about $40k, not $490k. The numbers simply do not work.

Also, you keep mentioning engineering prototype vehicles. The P1, which was called the P2 after the body was added, apparently was used as a test mule for a time. The P3 and P4 are simply show cars. They were not built to be tested, but to raise interest in the product. Engineering prototypes implement the design ideas so they can be tested and refined.

Perhaps there's an element of Talent that can not be quantitatively accessed in the accounting world until the product ships. LOL

 

[Kuda]

Yeah, I wonder who is going to get to keep the Plastic mockup they're carrying around at the shows. I'd display it in my living room like a trophy or something.

Best guess, the projected 'Start-up' museum @ the Shreveport plant......I nominate G1 for Curator!

 

[WilliamH]

Respectfully speaking, at least try to do a little research and look up the definition of investor. Let me enlighten you a bit- you don't have to buy stock to be an investor - any money you put in a project or business, does not always equate to a return of your investment- you can also lose all your money which is the same w/ putting a non refundable deposit on an ELIO! But if you re-read my post, my central topic is not about my deposit at all, it's about bringing a lot more interest and most definitely more deposits by installing the new engine in the P4 on their tours! Maybe that's a little too complicated for you to understand, and that's ok.

So I took the time to look up the definition since you apparently don't think I understand. And it appears that I have a real good understanding.
From a purely marketing standpoint your idea has merit. From a product standpoint it doesn't move the product forward or get you unit built.
Lets get the test units going and then maybe get a production engine in P4.
Incidentally, I went "all in" on Feb 9 knowing all about the issues. Not at the level I would have liked to, but that's a separate issue.

(form Accounting Dictionary at accounting tool.com)
Investor

Definition: An investor is an individual who pays for an investment instrument (such as a bond), or for an equity interest in a business, with an expectation of earning a return on the invested funds.

(from wiki)
An investor is a person who allocates capital with the expectation of a financial return. Types of investments include: equity, debt securities, real estate, currency, commodity, derivatives such as put and call options, etc. This definition makes no distinction between those in the primary and secondary markets.

 

[NSTG8R]

Respectfully speaking, at least try to do a little research and look up the definition of investor. ....Maybe that's a little too complicated for you to understand, and that's ok.

I'm thinking you didn't really mean the first two words, even if it did end with a ''.

I've 'invested' time (the most valuable commodity) to many things, without the expectation of anything in return...but I digress.