The Real P5 ?

[WilliamH]

Take a good look at those air holes around the inflator. If the metal is too thin, or the charge too high.....
and they still aren't sure.

Last anyone heard it was Takata.

Problem is it isn't just the instantaneous condition ------

Its also the conditions when the parts were made. And particularly the inflator ----

And the metal case of the inflator -----

Remember, the NHTSA requires these to make / keep you safe?

 

[John Painter]

I was hoping for the real deal, but the consensus on the forum seems to be that it won't be much more than a shell with the IAV engine. I was told not to get my expectations up.

The P5's purpose, as explained by Elio Motors, is multipurpose, but key functions are; verify fit and finish for the E series, public & private showing of what the production version will look, feel and roughly handle like. In short, the P5 will be a one-off of what will become the mass produced version. It will be a complete Elio.

 

[Neal]

The P5's purpose, as explained by Elio Motors, is multipurpose, but key functions are; verify fit and finish for the E series, public & private showing of what the production version will look, feel and roughly handle like. In short, the P5 will be a one-off of what will become the mass produced version. It will be a complete Elio.

That's my understanding as well.

 

[cantwait]

Not sure what you think consensus means, or what the "real deal" means to you.
As far as the Prototype series, the P5 is the real deal. (Probably the last of the P series.)
As far as the Engineering series (E1 - E25), there are different versions for different purposes.
As far as Production, we have been told (can't remember where I read it), #1 through #125 will be used for internal purposes.
So if you want the real deal, you're looking for #126 or higher.

FWIW. the "real deal", in this case would mean:
It will be subject to instrumented testing for horsepower, torque, acceleration, top speed, braking and cornering. And those results would be published.
It will have fully functioning ABS, traction control, heating, aircondition, and stereo.
The windshield wiper and washer will work. The side windows will roll up and down, and the door lock will work. The trunk lid will latch.
All the lights and signals will work properly.
The rear view mirrors will be spec'd to production size and location.
The steering geometry and feel will be representative of the production vehicle.
The interior ergonomics and sound level will be representative of the production vehicle.
The steering wheel, pedals and shifters will be in production locations and trim.
All the instrumentation will be in factory format and will function correctly.
The seats will be production spec, size and material.
The ODBII system will be fully functional.
The suspension geometry and dampers will approximate production intent, subject to further testing.
It has already been intimated/declared that the body panels will be fiberglass rather than SMC, or I would include SMC body panels in the list.

The "real deal" would be the vehicle that would stop the naysayers from saying that Elio has never built a vehicle that meets the advertising targets.

I hope that helps you understand what I mean by "the real deal".

 

[WilliamH]

FWIW. the "real deal", in this case would mean:
It will be subject to instrumented testing for horsepower, torque, acceleration, top speed, braking and cornering. And those results would be published.
It will have fully functioning ABS, traction control, heating, aircondition, and stereo.
The windshield wiper and washer will work. The side windows will roll up and down, and the door lock will work. The trunk lid will latch.
All the lights and signals will work properly.
The rear view mirrors will be spec'd to production size and location.
The steering geometry and feel will be representative of the production vehicle.
The interior ergonomics and sound level will be representative of the production vehicle.
The steering wheel, pedals and shifters will be in production locations and trim.
All the instrumentation will be in factory format and will function correctly.
The seats will be production spec, size and material.
The ODBII system will be fully functional.
The suspension geometry and dampers will approximate production intent, subject to further testing.
It has already been intimated/declared that the body panels will be fiberglass rather than SMC, or I would include SMC body panels in the list.

The "real deal" would be the vehicle that would stop the naysayers from saying that Elio has never built a vehicle that meets the advertising targets.

I hope that helps you understand what I mean by "the real deal".

Looks like you may need to wait for #126 +

 

[Rickb]

The P5's purpose, as explained by Elio Motors, is multipurpose, but key functions are; verify fit and finish for the E series, public & private showing of what the production version will look, feel and roughly handle like. In short, the P5 will be a one-off of what will become the mass produced version. It will be a complete Elio.

That's it exactly and I think that meets the high expectations of most future Elio Owners.

 

[John Painter]

FWIW. the "real deal", in this case would mean:
It will be subject to instrumented testing for horsepower, torque, acceleration, top speed, braking and cornering. And those results would be published.
It will have fully functioning ABS, traction control, heating, aircondition, and stereo.
The windshield wiper and washer will work. The side windows will roll up and down, and the door lock will work. The trunk lid will latch.
All the lights and signals will work properly.
The rear view mirrors will be spec'd to production size and location.
The steering geometry and feel will be representative of the production vehicle.
The interior ergonomics and sound level will be representative of the production vehicle.
The steering wheel, pedals and shifters will be in production locations and trim.
All the instrumentation will be in factory format and will function correctly.
The seats will be production spec, size and material.
The ODBII system will be fully functional.
The suspension geometry and dampers will approximate production intent, subject to further testing.
It has already been intimated/declared that the body panels will be fiberglass rather than SMC, or I would include SMC body panels in the list.

The "real deal" would be the vehicle that would stop the naysayers from saying that Elio has never built a vehicle that meets the advertising targets.

I hope that helps you understand what I mean by "the real deal".

Unfortunately nothing will stop the naysayers bro.

 

[Rickb]

FWIW. the "real deal", in this case would mean:
It will be subject to instrumented testing for horsepower, torque, acceleration, top speed, braking and cornering. And those results would be published.
It will have fully functioning ABS, traction control, heating, aircondition, and stereo.
The windshield wiper and washer will work. The side windows will roll up and down, and the door lock will work. The trunk lid will latch.
All the lights and signals will work properly.
The rear view mirrors will be spec'd to production size and location.
The steering geometry and feel will be representative of the production vehicle.
The interior ergonomics and sound level will be representative of the production vehicle.
The steering wheel, pedals and shifters will be in production locations and trim.
All the instrumentation will be in factory format and will function correctly.
The seats will be production spec, size and material.
The ODBII system will be fully functional.
The suspension geometry and dampers will approximate production intent, subject to further testing.
It has already been intimated/declared that the body panels will be fiberglass rather than SMC, or I would include SMC body panels in the list.

The "real deal" would be the vehicle that would stop the naysayers from saying that Elio has never built a vehicle that meets the advertising targets.

I hope that helps you understand what I mean by "the real deal".

I bet the P5 will contain a high percentage of the real deal items on your list.

The Naysayers are running out of steam. Nobody's really listening.

 

[WilliamH]

Quick heads up on sound system ...........
--- > http://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...s-new-elio-audio-system-by-mtx-300173264.html <---

 

[cantwait]

Unfortunately nothing will stop the naysayers bro.

That may be true.

I left off the "real deal" for the engine and transmission:
The engine will have VVT and flame-spray, if those are still planned for production.
The transmission will be a production-spec unit.

Hopefully RickB is correct, and the P5 will have most of the list items. If not, then the E's six months later. Or the S1's, at least. Hopefully we don't have to wait until #126 like WilliamH thinks. It really would be nice to be able to point to a vehicle that proves that Elio can meet its targets. It's hard to have to keep saying "the next one will be the one".