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The P5: What Would You Change?

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thankfully no pacemaker but I have always hated the pressure of a tight seat belt pulling against my chest .... I'm not suggesting anything to anyone, simply showing how I choose to handle it .... picture 1 a frig magnet I found many years ago at WalMart ..... picture 2 attaching the magnet to the belt as a scotch to keep the shoulder belt from tightening .....picture 3 leaving a bandwidth of slack in the belt that goes across my chest .... works of me
That's good, so long as there isn't too much slack. The situation of too much slack means that your body will travel until the slack is taken up, then in a short time, well F=MA, shorter the time the harder the hit. But I know that you know that. Just saying that for the smaller gorillas in the room.

What the belt is supposed to do is tie your body to the car body, which together rides down with the car crushing in the impact. If those two bodies get un-linked, then after you run out of slack, you ride down with the crush of body fat or distortion of the belt system(there's not a whole lot of that), or the max-g of the belt as designed. That max-g is way above the ride-down of the car in crushing, but supposedly below the death-g rate(my term for it).

And too, if that F=MA situation is too fast, there is the impact on your neck. It's kind of bobbling around above your shoulders, and an extra snap to the initial event isn't desirable.

For side impact the looser you are the more your head will swing about in the cabin. These days airbags should be the overriding control of that, but every little bit hurts(helps?).
 
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If seat belt connectors are on each side of the seat I might be able to have aircraft style over the shoulder seat belts. That will go nicely with my custom dash that will look like that of a P51 Mustang. Or may go with a heads up display like that of an F16. Larry
 

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That's good, so long as there isn't too much slack. The situation of too much slack means that your body will travel until the slack is taken up, then in a short time, well F=MA, shorter the time the harder the hit. But I know that you know that. Just saying that for the smaller gorillas in the room.

agree, that is why I included pictures .... once again, I'm not suggesting that anyone do what I do
 

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Hell no don't build it now. They still have things to work out, tests to perform, etc.
While I understand the desire, John, for sooner, I'm mindful of the longstanding engineering adage: Faster, Cheaper, Better; Pick Any Two. We know the Elio will be (by Paul's commitment) the latter two. I, for one, cannot reconcile compromising those. More expensive puts EM at risk from competition. To fail at better...well, then why the entire exercise? It's all a part of what engineering calls 'trades' and I am with PE on his choices thus far admittedly lacking much of the information he has access to. Delays are no fun but often beat the alternative.
 

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agree, that is why I included pictures .... once again, I'm not suggesting that anyone do what I do
Some of the newer seatbelt systems will tighten when it senses an impact; they're tied into the same sensor system that triggers the airbags.
If you are in an accident and you have something that interferes with the action of the belts the insurance companies get a free out in the event of injury during an accident.
 

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Some of the newer seatbelt systems will tighten when it senses an impact; they're tied into the same sensor system that triggers the airbags.
If you are in an accident and you have something that interferes with the action of the belts the insurance companies get a free out in the event of injury during an accident.

no argument about an insurance company's willingness to do any and everything possible to avoid paying a claim .... fortunately, none of our vehicles are high tech enough to have their seat belts wired into the crash sensors ... like I said, my post was made to show what I do to keep pressure off of my chest while driving ... I don't care what anyone else does; nor do I encourage anyone to do anything ....
 

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no argument about an insurance company's willingness to do any and everything possible to avoid paying a claim .... fortunately, none of our vehicles are high tech enough to have their seat belts wired into the crash sensors ... like I said, my post was made to show what I do to keep pressure off of my chest while driving ... I don't care what anyone else does; nor do I encourage anyone to do anything ....
Understood; I just tossed that in for anyone that has thought about copying anyone elses ideas.
Basic FYI
 

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Understood; I just tossed that in for anyone that has thought about copying anyone elses ideas.
Basic FYI

The only reason inertial retractors were put in to start with was to keep the seat belts neat.
Then the safety morons said they had to modify them to fix stupid.
You can't fix stupid and inertial retractors will never work correctly in rough driving areas.
 
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