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L.a. Auto Show...gimme Input
- Thread starter Karnaj
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Thank you Karnaj; you did an excellent job.
Do you recall if the second armrest was mentioned?
And of course; we all know we don't like the Elgin, but, did you hear anyone that was seeing the P5 for the first time make a comment about it?
I not so much interested in what the E-Team has said, I want to know what people new to the Elio said; that will tell me a lot.
Do you recall if the second armrest was mentioned?
And of course; we all know we don't like the Elgin, but, did you hear anyone that was seeing the P5 for the first time make a comment about it?
I not so much interested in what the E-Team has said, I want to know what people new to the Elio said; that will tell me a lot.
No one mentioned the second armrest, either on the Elio Team or from the droves of people standing around. I'm not too worried about it as, if I remember correctly, it has been confirmed before that it will be there. This is still a prototype, and if I may inject some personal insight, if the shifter position and the cupholder have not been finalized that may have some impact on the design/location of the armrest.
As for follow up question number two... Surprisingly, nothing was said. I didn't hear one question, statement, gasp, or giggle about the Elgin dash. My son and I were at the booth for close to and hour and a half. Not word one. I will say, it didn't seem as bad in person as I thought it would be.... but I still hate it.
Thanks Karnaj!! (Just what I was afraid of; people are so "blinded" by the rest of the P5 that they're not paying attention to the dash and other details.)No one mentioned the second armrest, either on the Elio Team or from the droves of people standing around. I'm not too worried about it as, if I remember correctly, it has been confirmed before that it will be there. This is still a prototype, and if I may inject some personal insight, if the shifter position and the cupholder have not been finalized that may have some impact on the design/location of the armrest.
As for follow up question number two... Surprisingly, nothing was said. I didn't hear one question, statement, gasp, or giggle about the Elgin dash. My son and I were at the booth for close to and hour and a half. Not word one. I will say, it didn't seem as bad in person as I thought it would be.... but I still hate it.
I will admit, it was very difficult to stay on track. Enthusiasm and awe was hard to overcome. Hell I even forgot my tape measure, hence none of the measurement questions answered
. She really is a crowd pleaser.
When it comes to the people making no comments on the gauges, these people had not seen the P4 with its traditional gauges, and thus they have no reference to compare this P5 too.No one mentioned the second armrest, either on the Elio Team or from the droves of people standing around. I'm not too worried about it as, if I remember correctly, it has been confirmed before that it will be there. This is still a prototype, and if I may inject some personal insight, if the shifter position and the cupholder have not been finalized that may have some impact on the design/location of the armrest.
As for follow up question number two... Surprisingly, nothing was said. I didn't hear one question, statement, gasp, or giggle about the Elgin dash. My son and I were at the booth for close to and hour and a half. Not word one. I will say, it didn't seem as bad in person as I thought it would be.... but I still hate it.
Questions to ask
1) Does the P5 come with production sound proofing? Yes the production model will have factory installed sound proofing. However the P5 did not.
2) Does it have OBD-II capabilities and are the limited by EM? If so how? Got a lot of good information on this. It will have a OBD-II port but not OBD-II capability. The way this was explained to my by Jerome was by plugging into the port you will get all the codes and information needed for diagnostics but it is a one way street. Think of it as a read only. You will be able to extract information but they will not allow any changing of the code in the computer via OBD-II. Hence this is not a true OBD-II port. Read only was a great way of understanding it. No write capabilities.
3) What is the current state of the turbo? Is it in the works? How far along is it? Another very intriguing answer. Nothing has been finalized but Elio is discussing both a turbo and/or supercharger options. Nothing more could be said for either one. Elio is looking at the pros and cons for both options to see which fits with their philosophies better. However in the course of this conversation a diesel engine was hinted at. Whether this is way down the line, or something that could be sooner was not mentioned.
4) Now knowing that they will use PPC coloring can they give the color specs for any of the colors? (Thank you TY for this knowledge) None of the colors have been finalized so unfortunately no PPC codes could be given. PPC codes are confirmed though. Also as a personal note the red was GORGEOUS. It is a very sporty, almost Ferrari like red. It appears to be a favorite of Jeromes too.
5) What are the plans for yellow? Come on there has to be some, you can't upset that many people. None of the colors have been finalized but even Jerome says that it is likely that Yellow will make and appearance, even if it isn't in the first run (which it probably won't be)
6) When will the options list for the Elio be listed? Possible date? (Could answer a lot of customization questions) When asked I was told the list is already in front of us. Look at their list of suppliers. ALL of their products that will fit the Elio will be available. As far as custom items, like the front fenders, I was told they will be available but nothing is finalized to show to public.
7) What are the standard options that are confirmed? A/C, Power Windows, Power Door Lock, Cruise is still up in the air, that hasn't been decided.
8) Will the owners' manual be physical or PDF? When might we get a sneak peek online? PDF. Dates are hard to get these guys to give
9) Numbers heard are 19,000 in 90 days. Is that correct? Is that calendar or working days? This was broken down for me. 300-350 vehicles per day for the first 90 days. That will increase to 3 shifts, so 1000 a day, after the first 90 days. These are in working days. By rough math that is 27,000 vehicles in the first 3 months, with about 20,000 a month there after. (A lot of rounding in those numbers, please don't be strict on them)
10) Are you seeing more new people or established fans of the Elio at the events you are attending? 90-10. About 90% new interest.
11) When will the vehicle for handsome pre-order holder #11492 be ready? (Don't worry these numbers aren't indicative of asking sequence Badboy) Another of those date questions they don't like to answer
12) If there is no belly pan on the P5, will there be an option for it? This will depend on if they can get their target MPG. If it helps them meet their goal, and they need the help, it may be a production item. If it is not needed they were unsure if it would be an option.
13) Will the nose of the vehicle have sensors or body matched impact resistant materials? The front will have sensor provided by Continental.
14) In the SEC filing there are multiple dates given for stated timeline (1 month, 6 month, 9 month). Is this time table to start at the SEC acceptance, or what indicates the start point? Could not answer this one.
15) How do you plan on shipping by haulers? Dollies? Yes Dollies. These are very inexpensive 2 piece dollies... and yes they will be available to consumers
16) Will we be able to lock the hood, if so how? It appears and internal release is expensive in the big picture but they will have lockable hood pins.
17) How will the washer fluid be applied to the windshield? Via the wiper blade or a hood spout? Jerome liked this question, but didn't know the answer. He did mention he assumes through the wiper blade as he has no seen any designs that have washer jet modules.
18) Are the front and back tires the same rim width and bolt pattern? Bolt patterns should be the same but widths will be different. The rear tire will be wider than the front. I asked specifically about the rims, not the tires.
19) What does the 55HP/60HP difference mean? Which is the real rating? Probably my favorite answer. These numbers are both correct. It is rated as 55 by Elio and 60 by IAV. Tuning the engine will produce any number in between. During the tuning process the final HP number will be narrowed down to provide the best answer to all of Elios wants (MPG, 0-60, etc.). In conclusion, the engine can do both.
I have more answers to questions that just happened to come up in conversation. These will come in another post as this one has already gotten a little long winded.
Thank you. Very well done. Your answers are thorough and you write well.
Thank you. Compliments, both
cantwait
Elio Addict
"Prototype" You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
As I understood it, the P5 was supposed to be the last of the one-off's. It was supposed to be the pattern that the E-series is to be built from.
From the information that has been reported (great job, by the way), there are just too many changes that have to be made to the P5 for it to be the basis of even a small-scale production run. Whether they call it a P6 or an E1, they are going to have to build at least one more unit before they can start copying and testing. Either that, or completely re-work the P5 before they start the E-series run. Otherwise, they are going to have to make huge changes on 25 prototypes, which would be prohibitively costly and time-consuming.
As I understood it, the P5 was supposed to be the last of the one-off's. It was supposed to be the pattern that the E-series is to be built from.
From the information that has been reported (great job, by the way), there are just too many changes that have to be made to the P5 for it to be the basis of even a small-scale production run. Whether they call it a P6 or an E1, they are going to have to build at least one more unit before they can start copying and testing. Either that, or completely re-work the P5 before they start the E-series run. Otherwise, they are going to have to make huge changes on 25 prototypes, which would be prohibitively costly and time-consuming.
A prototype is an early sample, model, or release of a product built to test a concept or process or to act as a thing to be replicated or learned from. It is a term used in a variety of contexts, including semantics, design, electronics, and software programming. A prototype is designed to test and try a new design to enhance precision by system analysts and users. Prototyping serves to provide specifications for a real, working system rather than a theoretical one. In some workflow models, creating a prototype (a process sometimes called materialization) is the step between the formalization and the evaluation of an idea
I refer to it as a prototype because it is. It is a base to be "learned from... enhance precision... (and is a) step between the formalization and evaluation of an idea." The E designation is for "engineering" as far as I know. This is where I would expect the engineering quirks to be worked out. Please do not read this as an attack, I am merely stating my position, and why I use the language I do. It is very deliberate. I would expect the "E" series process to work out the remaining minor tweaks needed. They are minor in the great scheme of things. And if you are going to crash test a vehicle, you may as well use it to develop a bit or your vehicles aesthetics that don't affect structure.