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Karnaj, Did you get to go to the show? I'm lookin forward to your impression of the Elio, as a first impression.
Thanks G1 for the great pictures. I have been out-of-service with hip replacement. More pain than I expected. Glad to be back and able to read this sites great information about my next car. I was able to get my stock order placed. I bought a little more than I reserved. I am not a big investor, but I hope it does better than my Wachovia stock did in 2008( bankrupt). Keep up your good work G1!
Just got home. I will be gathering my thoughts and notes, and posting a write up here in a couple minutes. However, first impressions... It's beautiful. I won't get into much more until the write up, but I am impressed, and more sold than ever.
Auto Show 2015 Impressions and observations
Before I get into the answers to questions on the list I have to lay down a few observations and truths.
The P5 is very much a prototype vehicle. Please do not be mistaken. This is in no way a production vehicle, and EM is not trying to promote it as such. They were very forthcoming about this being a prototype and not a finish product. There were visible screws in the back seat holding the B pillar covers on, items missing (explained later) that are known to be planned for final production. Please, in all of our speculation and wishing, do not make this vehicle more than it is.
The feeling in the air around the Elio site was electric. EVERY person that walked by stopped to see this little beauty. There were comments ranging from "Ahh that's cute" to "How are they supposed to make that for $6800" to "Let's see if they have two of them we can race". Good or bad, everyone stopped. Even if they arrived skeptical, most left at least intrigued if not positive about it. More so than any other vehicle, this one caused more converts and murmurs. I heard at least three mentions of the car being talked about in conversations around me in other parts of the show, no where near the Elio booth.
All of that being said I couldn't be happier. This was a great experience. Jerome was a great guy, taking time out of his very busy day to answer as many questions as he could. The others on the crew were also very helpful and kind. They provided a great atmosphere. Very inviting and accommodating. Anyway, those were my experiences I had to share. My next post will be answers to the questions that were on the list.
Before I get into the answers to questions on the list I have to lay down a few observations and truths.
The P5 is very much a prototype vehicle. Please do not be mistaken. This is in no way a production vehicle, and EM is not trying to promote it as such. They were very forthcoming about this being a prototype and not a finish product. There were visible screws in the back seat holding the B pillar covers on, items missing (explained later) that are known to be planned for final production. Please, in all of our speculation and wishing, do not make this vehicle more than it is.
The feeling in the air around the Elio site was electric. EVERY person that walked by stopped to see this little beauty. There were comments ranging from "Ahh that's cute" to "How are they supposed to make that for $6800" to "Let's see if they have two of them we can race". Good or bad, everyone stopped. Even if they arrived skeptical, most left at least intrigued if not positive about it. More so than any other vehicle, this one caused more converts and murmurs. I heard at least three mentions of the car being talked about in conversations around me in other parts of the show, no where near the Elio booth.
All of that being said I couldn't be happier. This was a great experience. Jerome was a great guy, taking time out of his very busy day to answer as many questions as he could. The others on the crew were also very helpful and kind. They provided a great atmosphere. Very inviting and accommodating. Anyway, those were my experiences I had to share. My next post will be answers to the questions that were on the list.
So glad to hear you enjoyed your visit! Can't wait to see your write up.Just got home. I will be gathering my thoughts and notes, and posting a write up here in a couple minutes. However, first impressions... It's beautiful. I won't get into much more until the write up, but I am impressed, and more sold than ever.
Questions to ask
1) Does the P5 come with production sound proofing? Yes the production model will have factory installed sound proofing. However the P5 did not.
2) Does it have OBD-II capabilities and are the limited by EM? If so how? Got a lot of good information on this. It will have a OBD-II port but not OBD-II capability. The way this was explained to my by Jerome was by plugging into the port you will get all the codes and information needed for diagnostics but it is a one way street. Think of it as a read only. You will be able to extract information but they will not allow any changing of the code in the computer via OBD-II. Hence this is not a true OBD-II port. Read only was a great way of understanding it. No write capabilities.
3) What is the current state of the turbo? Is it in the works? How far along is it? Another very intriguing answer. Nothing has been finalized but Elio is discussing both a turbo and/or supercharger options. Nothing more could be said for either one. Elio is looking at the pros and cons for both options to see which fits with their philosophies better. However in the course of this conversation a diesel engine was hinted at. Whether this is way down the line, or something that could be sooner was not mentioned.
4) Now knowing that they will use PPC coloring can they give the color specs for any of the colors? (Thank you TY for this knowledge) None of the colors have been finalized so unfortunately no PPC codes could be given. PPC codes are confirmed though. Also as a personal note the red was GORGEOUS. It is a very sporty, almost Ferrari like red. It appears to be a favorite of Jeromes too.
5) What are the plans for yellow? Come on there has to be some, you can't upset that many people. None of the colors have been finalized but even Jerome says that it is likely that Yellow will make and appearance, even if it isn't in the first run (which it probably won't be)
6) When will the options list for the Elio be listed? Possible date? (Could answer a lot of customization questions) When asked I was told the list is already in front of us. Look at their list of suppliers. ALL of their products that will fit the Elio will be available. As far as custom items, like the front fenders, I was told they will be available but nothing is finalized to show to public.
7) What are the standard options that are confirmed? A/C, Power Windows, Power Door Lock, Cruise is still up in the air, that hasn't been decided.
8) Will the owners' manual be physical or PDF? When might we get a sneak peek online? PDF. Dates are hard to get these guys to give
9) Numbers heard are 19,000 in 90 days. Is that correct? Is that calendar or working days? This was broken down for me. 300-350 vehicles per day for the first 90 days. That will increase to 3 shifts, so 1000 a day, after the first 90 days. These are in working days. By rough math that is 27,000 vehicles in the first 3 months, with about 20,000 a month there after. (A lot of rounding in those numbers, please don't be strict on them)
10) Are you seeing more new people or established fans of the Elio at the events you are attending? 90-10. About 90% new interest.
11) When will the vehicle for handsome pre-order holder #11492 be ready? (Don't worry these numbers aren't indicative of asking sequence Badboy) Another of those date questions they don't like to answer Basically Jerome said "let us get #1 made then I can give you a time for #11492"
12) If there is no belly pan on the P5, will there be an option for it? This will depend on if they can get their target MPG. If it helps them meet their goal, and they need the help, it may be a production item. If it is not needed they were unsure if it would be an option.
13) Will the nose of the vehicle have sensors or body matched impact resistant materials? The front will have sensor provided by Continental.
14) In the SEC filing there are multiple dates given for stated timeline (1 month, 6 month, 9 month). Is this time table to start at the SEC acceptance, or what indicates the start point? Could not answer this one. Jerome said this should be answered by Paul.
15) How do you plan on shipping by haulers? Dollies? Yes Dollies. These are very inexpensive 2 piece dollies... and yes they will be available to consumers
16) Will we be able to lock the hood, if so how? It appears and internal release is expensive in the big picture but they will have lockable hood pins.
17) How will the washer fluid be applied to the windshield? Via the wiper blade or a hood spout? Jerome liked this question, but didn't know the answer. He did mention he assumes through the wiper blade as he has no seen any designs that have washer jet modules.
18) Are the front and back tires the same rim width and bolt pattern? Bolt patterns should be the same but widths will be different. The rear tire will be wider than the front. I asked specifically about the rims, not the tires.
19) What does the 55HP/60HP difference mean? Which is the real rating? Probably my favorite answer. These numbers are both correct. It is rated as 55 by Elio and 60 by IAV. Tuning the engine will produce any number in between. During the tuning process the final HP number will be narrowed down to provide the best answer to all of Elios wants (MPG, 0-60, etc.). In conclusion, the engine can do both.
I have more answers to questions that just happened to come up in conversation. These will come in another post as this one has already gotten a little long winded.
1) Does the P5 come with production sound proofing? Yes the production model will have factory installed sound proofing. However the P5 did not.
2) Does it have OBD-II capabilities and are the limited by EM? If so how? Got a lot of good information on this. It will have a OBD-II port but not OBD-II capability. The way this was explained to my by Jerome was by plugging into the port you will get all the codes and information needed for diagnostics but it is a one way street. Think of it as a read only. You will be able to extract information but they will not allow any changing of the code in the computer via OBD-II. Hence this is not a true OBD-II port. Read only was a great way of understanding it. No write capabilities.
3) What is the current state of the turbo? Is it in the works? How far along is it? Another very intriguing answer. Nothing has been finalized but Elio is discussing both a turbo and/or supercharger options. Nothing more could be said for either one. Elio is looking at the pros and cons for both options to see which fits with their philosophies better. However in the course of this conversation a diesel engine was hinted at. Whether this is way down the line, or something that could be sooner was not mentioned.
4) Now knowing that they will use PPC coloring can they give the color specs for any of the colors? (Thank you TY for this knowledge) None of the colors have been finalized so unfortunately no PPC codes could be given. PPC codes are confirmed though. Also as a personal note the red was GORGEOUS. It is a very sporty, almost Ferrari like red. It appears to be a favorite of Jeromes too.
5) What are the plans for yellow? Come on there has to be some, you can't upset that many people. None of the colors have been finalized but even Jerome says that it is likely that Yellow will make and appearance, even if it isn't in the first run (which it probably won't be)
6) When will the options list for the Elio be listed? Possible date? (Could answer a lot of customization questions) When asked I was told the list is already in front of us. Look at their list of suppliers. ALL of their products that will fit the Elio will be available. As far as custom items, like the front fenders, I was told they will be available but nothing is finalized to show to public.
7) What are the standard options that are confirmed? A/C, Power Windows, Power Door Lock, Cruise is still up in the air, that hasn't been decided.
8) Will the owners' manual be physical or PDF? When might we get a sneak peek online? PDF. Dates are hard to get these guys to give
9) Numbers heard are 19,000 in 90 days. Is that correct? Is that calendar or working days? This was broken down for me. 300-350 vehicles per day for the first 90 days. That will increase to 3 shifts, so 1000 a day, after the first 90 days. These are in working days. By rough math that is 27,000 vehicles in the first 3 months, with about 20,000 a month there after. (A lot of rounding in those numbers, please don't be strict on them)
10) Are you seeing more new people or established fans of the Elio at the events you are attending? 90-10. About 90% new interest.
11) When will the vehicle for handsome pre-order holder #11492 be ready? (Don't worry these numbers aren't indicative of asking sequence Badboy) Another of those date questions they don't like to answer
Basically Jerome said "let us get #1 made then I can give you a time for #11492"12) If there is no belly pan on the P5, will there be an option for it? This will depend on if they can get their target MPG. If it helps them meet their goal, and they need the help, it may be a production item. If it is not needed they were unsure if it would be an option.
13) Will the nose of the vehicle have sensors or body matched impact resistant materials? The front will have sensor provided by Continental.
14) In the SEC filing there are multiple dates given for stated timeline (1 month, 6 month, 9 month). Is this time table to start at the SEC acceptance, or what indicates the start point? Could not answer this one.
Jerome said this should be answered by Paul.15) How do you plan on shipping by haulers? Dollies? Yes Dollies. These are very inexpensive 2 piece dollies... and yes they will be available to consumers
16) Will we be able to lock the hood, if so how? It appears and internal release is expensive in the big picture but they will have lockable hood pins.
17) How will the washer fluid be applied to the windshield? Via the wiper blade or a hood spout? Jerome liked this question, but didn't know the answer. He did mention he assumes through the wiper blade as he has no seen any designs that have washer jet modules.
18) Are the front and back tires the same rim width and bolt pattern? Bolt patterns should be the same but widths will be different. The rear tire will be wider than the front. I asked specifically about the rims, not the tires.
19) What does the 55HP/60HP difference mean? Which is the real rating? Probably my favorite answer. These numbers are both correct. It is rated as 55 by Elio and 60 by IAV. Tuning the engine will produce any number in between. During the tuning process the final HP number will be narrowed down to provide the best answer to all of Elios wants (MPG, 0-60, etc.). In conclusion, the engine can do both.
I have more answers to questions that just happened to come up in conversation. These will come in another post as this one has already gotten a little long winded.
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A few more random questions were answered during the course of my time there too.
Let's start with the rear tire panel. Unfortunately the production design is not on the P5. The rear tire is held be a swing arm and shock connected to the starboard side of the tire assembly. Access to the tire will be granted by a hinged door on the port side. The entire side panel will swing away. There is a split down the port side rear panel at the corner that actually blends in very well.
The drivers cup holder. It will be there. They are just trying to nail down the design. The problem appears to be the cup holder and how it interacts with the shifting lever. It sounds like the popular leaning is to pull the shift lever towards the driver and push the cup holder to the bow of the vehicle. This sounds like the best option because, sitting in the car, if you push the shifter to the bow it reaches an uncomfortable distance to use.
The battery is a very small, motorcycle type, battery. It is tucked high and tight on the port side, aft section of the engine bay. This places it under the lip the hood latches to and the wiper blade sits in. Seemed very inconvenient to me. When I can figure out how to post my pictures I have a couple that should show this. (Multiple issues here. How to get them off the camera, how to get them on my comp, and eventually on this site. I'm not very computer literate, but with the better halfs help I will get it soon. Just gimme some time).
And finally the answer I think will make the most people happy here.... The seatbelt WILL be moved to the starboard side of the cabin. This was told to me by one of the other people on the floor as I sat in the car. Without prodding he gave me this piece of information. I think he notice me looking at the seatbelt strap as I got in. He mentioned it will be move to help facilitate passenger egress.
Did get one more little nugget. The head unit for the stereo was referenced as an MTX. Hmm. Didn't know they made head units but bluetooth and a single USB port were confirmed.
Gonna relax for a little bit. Will work on getting photos posted as soon as I can. May not be today, but it will be soon.
If anyone has anymore questions please ask, I will try to answer what I can.
Let's start with the rear tire panel. Unfortunately the production design is not on the P5. The rear tire is held be a swing arm and shock connected to the starboard side of the tire assembly. Access to the tire will be granted by a hinged door on the port side. The entire side panel will swing away. There is a split down the port side rear panel at the corner that actually blends in very well.
The drivers cup holder. It will be there. They are just trying to nail down the design. The problem appears to be the cup holder and how it interacts with the shifting lever. It sounds like the popular leaning is to pull the shift lever towards the driver and push the cup holder to the bow of the vehicle. This sounds like the best option because, sitting in the car, if you push the shifter to the bow it reaches an uncomfortable distance to use.
The battery is a very small, motorcycle type, battery. It is tucked high and tight on the port side, aft section of the engine bay. This places it under the lip the hood latches to and the wiper blade sits in. Seemed very inconvenient to me. When I can figure out how to post my pictures I have a couple that should show this. (Multiple issues here. How to get them off the camera, how to get them on my comp, and eventually on this site. I'm not very computer literate, but with the better halfs help I will get it soon. Just gimme some time).
And finally the answer I think will make the most people happy here.... The seatbelt WILL be moved to the starboard side of the cabin. This was told to me by one of the other people on the floor as I sat in the car. Without prodding he gave me this piece of information. I think he notice me looking at the seatbelt strap as I got in. He mentioned it will be move to help facilitate passenger egress.
Did get one more little nugget. The head unit for the stereo was referenced as an MTX. Hmm. Didn't know they made head units but bluetooth and a single USB port were confirmed.
Gonna relax for a little bit. Will work on getting photos posted as soon as I can. May not be today, but it will be soon.
If anyone has anymore questions please ask, I will try to answer what I can.
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WilliamH
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Thanks for your hard work in getting this information and putting it together for all of us who couldn't make it.
Trust me, it was my pleasure. I'm more than happy to be able to bring what I can to you all. This is a great forum and I'm glad to be a contributing member.