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[Johnny Acree]

“Small turbocharged engines aren’t delivering on the fuel-efficiency claims by the manufacturers.”
Consumer Reports Feb. 5, 2013

I found more info about power vs economy vs turbo .

 

[Mel]

In other words, the primary reason for using smaller turbocharged engines is so that the manufacturers can claim better fuel efficiency, while in the real world for everyday driving, it's mostly BS.
The part that really bothers me about this video is that he starts out by talking about fewer parts. Yeah, sure.

 

[Ray O]

I have been on line looking at NUVinci CVT drive trains. Elio should look at this as an option it takes up less room and is very efficient. It should also save weight. With only one transmission this would also save manufacturing and inventory cost. Just an idea.

 

[RSchneider]

In other words, the primary reason for using smaller turbocharged engines is so that the manufacturers can claim better fuel efficiency, while in the real world for everyday driving, it's mostly BS.
The part that really bothers me about this video is that he starts out by talking about fewer parts. Yeah, sure.

The reality of the situation is that a manufacturer can build one engine and then change the parameters of it to work from everything from a small hatchback to a full sized SUV. So, it actually becomes a more efficient engine across the board. Efficient in lower fuel consumption, 200K emission standards and less parts over building 3-4 different engines for each product. Then there's the reliability which has proven to get much better over the old days. All of these companies are smart enough that when they see a trend and with proven technology, they go with it. if anyone has a better idea, then it would be adopted. As of today, hasn't happened.

Now I have been to a number of SAE conferences and trust me, they are looking for the next great idea. So if anyone has that idea that checks off all of the boxes, you'd better patent it and you'll become a millionaire overnight.

As for fewer parts, a turbo 4 has one moving part more than a non turbo 4. It's the turbo. As for extra parts, it's the turbo, plumbing and intercooler. If they could get away with less, they would do it in a heartbeat. Thus the reason why a turbo 4 is a better deal than a V6 or V8. They have lots more parts and moving parts.

 

[RSchneider]

I have been on line looking at NUVinci CVT drive trains. Elio should look at this as an option it takes up less room and is very efficient. It should also save weight. With only one transmission this would also save manufacturing and inventory cost. Just an idea.

That transmission would work great if Elio was peddle power. We currently make CVT's that are in a range of cars and SUV's. So, Elio could go that route.

 

[booboo]

Joeker88 riding around in a SAM talking about ELIO.

 

[Elio Amazed]

Joeker88 riding around in a SAM talking about ELIO.

Joeker88 riding around in a SAM talking about ELIO while thinking about the crystal plaque he just received for being the 1st US retail Solo recipient.

 

[raptor213]

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/26/business/gm-oshawa-plant/index.html

Surprised to see that the Chevy Volt is one of the models on the chopping block beyond 2019. But this strategic shift is in line with the direction Ford announced choosing back in April.

"Zero Crashes. Zero Emissions. Zero Congestion." Sounds like both Ford and GM are making the exact same business decision -- to prioritize the assembly, marketing and sale of cash-cow SUVs and trucks, in order to roll those earnings into the design, development and production of autonomous all-electric passenger cars.

Glass half-full viewpoint: this creates even more of a market void for Elio Motors (and Sondors, Arcimoto, SAM, EM, etc) to occupy. 2019 is really evolving into the breakout year for affordable personal transportation alternatives.

 

[AriLea]

Market void. I like that idea.
It's very premature to say gas is done. And the same for human driven cars. There are strong reasons people will want to keep the option to drive. And now is a far cry from a complete understanding of what a wide adoption of electric and autonomous systems will mean to us.

Both infrastructures must be fully in place before you can count the prior technology on the out, or rules to change much.
As for me, if price, range and plus recharge times is solved, sure, I want electric.
If autonomous driving at a good price is there, yes I want the option but not the requirement.

I do think it is a bit crazy. Overhead monorails with auto driving systems and track switching or shifting would have been the better public system. But the growth path did not, could not, go that way. But that would have given hugely higher efficiency travel, all electric, inherent support for the power grid, little or no batteries, much lower complexity and cost, and would have left room for plants and ground hugging animals in our world. Much, much, cheaper than road beds. Only the views from your bedroom window would have suffered.

 

[Trusting]

Market void. I like that idea.
It's very premature to say gas is done. And the same for human driven cars. There are strong reasons people will want to keep the option to drive. And now is a far cry from a complete understanding of what a wide adoption of electric and autonomous systems will mean to us.

Both infrastructures must be fully in place before you can count the prior technology on the out, or rules to change much.
As for me, if price, range and plus recharge times is solved, sure, I want electric.
If autonomous driving at a good price is there, yes I want the option but not the requirement.

I do think it is a bit crazy. Overhead monorails with auto driving systems and track switching or shifting would have been the better public system. But the growth path did not, could not, go that way. But that would have given hugely higher efficiency travel, all electric, inherent support for the power grid, little or no batteries, much lower complexity and cost, and would have left room for plants and ground hugging animals in our world. Much, much, cheaper than road beds. Only the views from your bedroom window would have suffered.

A few years back the powers that be wanted to put public transportation down the middle of much of Main Street and some other routes. As the debate went on as to how to do it, I was hoping for a monorail. But, alas, they opted for a tram system (essentially a bunch of streetcars). Now, instead of an overhead system we have these things running on rails, blocking traffic, causing delays, and hardly a week goes by there isn't an accident where one hits a pedestrian or car.