Guns And Stuff Related.

[Frim]

A new bill introduced in the Oregon state legislature would:
1. ban magazines holding more than 5 rounds and guns that can accept larger capacity magazines.
2. Limit ammo purchases to 20 rounds a month.
3. Provide no grandfather provisions for keeping any of the banned items.

The limit on ammo purchases is interesting. If you rank firearms use by how much ammo the various uses consume I think you would come up with the following.

1. Target shooting. Most of the ammo fired is expended in target shooting of various kinds.
2. Subsistance hunting. Many people provide much of the meat that they and their family eats by hunting and some types of hunting consume more ammo than others.
3. Sport hunters
4. Trophy hunters.
5. Mass shootings. If you exclude the Las Vegas incident the most shots fired by a mass shooter was just under 400 and the average was under 20. This is a small number and made smaller by the fact that mass shootings end in the death or incarceration of the shooter so are a once in a lifetime thing.
6. Robberies and murders. Most robberies don't involve shootings and most murders are committed as a crime of passion or anger and so most murderers are not repeat offenders.
7. Suicide.

The interesting thing about the above is that the people most affected by a 20 round per month limit would be target shooters. A group that is accepted by almost everyone. Subsistance hunters are given a pass by many who are against hunting for sport or trophy. Someone who shoots deer and does not expend a lot of ammo sighting in their rifle might not notice a 20 round limit but someone who hunts rabbits, squirrels, ducks, doves and the like certainly would. Trophy hunters might only fire one months ammo allotment in a whole year. The remaining categories are condemned by everyone but they would be least affected by a 20 round limit.
The other categories could continue without being hindered much by the limit. Of course
criminals would ignore the law so it would only affect people in the first categories and especially those who live miles from the nearest store that sells ammo.

I am most concerned that a mass shooter wouldn't be able to save a round for his head.

 

[Elio Amazed]

I've kept up with a lot of this somewhat. Larryboy, there are hundreds of bills like this popping up in the US Congress and in states and municipalities all over the country. You can only imagine what I'm thinking. For example, Connecticut state representative Jillian Gilchrest just submitted a bill to increase the tax on ammunition sold in Connecticut to a whopping 50%. Quote: "Because we see this as a prevention measure." Of course she goes on to say that this would not apply to the police or military. "But, for example, if someone were to purchase a 50 cartridge box of ammunition which goes for about $10, it would increase the price to $15." So this will keep all those totally broke people (who we all know are the only ones who commit crimes with guns) from getting their hands on ammo? Another example: US representative Carolyn B. Maloney on Capitol Hill has just resurrected legislation to expand the country’s background check system and force gun owners to carry liability insurance.These things are coming down at the pipe at the rate of two, three, and four A DAY now. To help keep this thread walking the tightrope and open, All I'll say is "no comment".

Other than that, no matter how you feel about it all, contact your representatives.
If you don't, YOU are ultimately responsible for outcomes that you don't like.

I will say this. There are a lot of sheriffs and other law enforcement and even a whole county in Washington state that have come out and and said that they are NOT going to enforce another bill (voters initiative ballot I-1639) that was passed into law just after the last election. Cowlitz county commissioners have passed a resolution that states the county will not enforce 1639 because it's invalid due to it being unconstitutional.

 

[Elio Amazed]

I can't think of any ammunition manufacturer that sells boxes less than 50 a box, unless you purchase some of the self defense ammunition.

WA has a few bills going through right now...

https://www.nraila.org/articles/201...zine-ban-firearm-seizure-bills-pass-committee

As you well know Grumpy, most high-power hunting rifle rounds are available in twenty round boxes. That's the whole idea.
One of the purposes of this is to make it next to impossible to obtain a reasonable supply of anything but hunting rounds.
And if you're sighting in and practicing as much as you should be to remain proficient, not even enough of those.

Keep in mind that doesn't mean 20 of each caliber that you shoot. That's 20RD total per person per month.
Evidently the government doesn't feel anyone needs to shoot more than 20 shots of anything a month.
Let's see... That means I would be able to buy 1&2/3 RD of each caliber that I shoot per month.

The number of guns that some people think are in the US is interesting.
The official records show that there are only 55k or so guns in Pennsylvania.
There were more than 800K hunting licenses issued in PA for the 2017 season.
There were around 755K guns transferred or sold in PA in 2017 alone.

And in PA, you don't have to report, or background check for, long gun sales/transfers between private citizens.
But you can be held criminally and civilly responsible for selling/transferring to someone who is not legally qualified to possess.

I love my neighborhood. We're in a long shallow valley. There's a family that regularly shoots pistols into the hill on their abandoned farm 50 yards away on one side of me and a young man that shoots an AR-15 into the opposite hill about 130 yards away. The guy with the AR-15 was getting pretty good with his bump stock until the ban. I sold both of mine shortly after the Vegas shooting. Haven't heard rapid fire since the ban, but he still shoots. Unfortunately I don't have access to the hills as backstops. I've got neighbors on three sides and a road on the fourth, so I'm not able to shoot anything but my air guns at home. I'm building a picnic table that will have an add-on shooting table section. It's pretty neat. The extension will tuck away under the table top when not in use. I've never seen anything like it and came up with the design myself. In today's environment, I'd rather most people see just a picnic table when they drive past than have them see a dedicated shooting table.

 

[Elio Amazed]

Hi-Point is re-doing the C9. They've shown a prototype and are projecting release in 2019.
It still looks somewhat like a brick, but is disguised to look less so, and it's got a few improvements.

Taurus is coming out with a nice looking, supposedly match grade, .22LR semi-auto pistol that holds 16 rounds.

And if you haven't heard or seen yet, Mossberg is releasing it's first pistol in 100 years.
It's 9mm with a convoluted "safe" tear-down where you take the firing pin out first.
They have a cross-bolt safety on the manual safety version. Novelty appeal.
In reviews by experienced shooters, it's snappy w' marginal accuracy.
6 and 7RD single stack CLEAR mags. It also takes Glock mags.

I don't have any links at the moment, but they're out there.

 

[Grumpy Cat]

As you well know Grumpy, most high-power hunting rifle rounds are available in twenty round boxes. That's the whole idea.
One of the purposes of this is to make it next to impossible to obtain a reasonable supply of anything but hunting rounds.
And if you're sighting in and practicing as much as you should be to remain proficient, not even enough of those.

Keep in mind that doesn't mean 20 of each caliber that you shoot. That's 20RD total per person per month.
Evidently the government doesn't feel anyone needs to shoot more than 20 shots of anything a month.
Let's see... That means I would be able to buy 1&2/3 RD of each caliber that I shoot per month.

The number of guns that some people think are in the US is interesting.
The official records show that there are only 55k or so guns in Pennsylvania.
There were more than 800K hunting licenses issued in PA for the 2017 season.
There were around 755K guns transferred or sold in PA in 2017 alone.

And in PA, you don't have to report, or background check for, long gun sales/transfers between private citizens.
But you can be held criminally and civilly responsible for selling/transferring to someone who is not legally qualified to possess.

I love my neighborhood. We're in a long shallow valley. There's a family that regularly shoots pistols into the hill on their abandoned farm 50 yards away on one side of me and a young man that shoots an AR-15 into the opposite hill about 130 yards away. The guy with the AR-15 was getting pretty good with his bump stock until the ban. I sold both of mine shortly after the Vegas shooting. Haven't heard rapid fire since the ban, but he still shoots. Unfortunately I don't have access to the hills as backstops. I've got neighbors on three sides and a road on the fourth, so I'm not able to shoot anything but my air guns at home. I'm building a picnic table that will have an add-on shooting table section. It's pretty neat. The extension will tuck away under the table top when not in use. I've never seen anything like it and came up with the design myself. In today's environment, I'd rather most people see just a picnic table when they drive past than have them see a dedicated shooting table.

Statistically speaking, most murders, robberies, assaults, etc are done with handguns, not rifles, well, and more specifically, blunt objects and knifes are used far more often than handguns.

 

[Marshall]

If Constitutional Rights can be chipped away, then I suggest we start with denying the right to vote to any unarmed citizen on the grounds they do not take their citizenship seriously enough to vote.

 

[JEBar]

for those of us who are fans of Henry firearms, this is really good news :

Henry Repeating Arms Declared Coolest Thing Made In Wisconsin

"MILWAUKEE, Oct. 10, 2019 /PRNewswire/ -- Henry Repeating Arms and their Big Boy All-Weather lever action rifle won the 'Coolest Thing Made in Wisconsin' competition organized by the Wisconsin Manufacturers & Commerce (WMC) from a contestant pool of over 150 different products and companies. The Big Boy All-Weather, which is manufactured in Henry's Rice Lake, Wisconsin facility, was nominated earlier this year in August and then went all the way through 4 rounds of popular votes. Over 30,000 votes were cast in the last round. The rifle, available in .44 Magnum, .357 Magnum and .45 Colt, is a popular choice for hunters that need a firearm that is less susceptible to harsh environmental conditions."

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/henry-repeating-arms-declared-coolest-140700127.html

 

[Grumpy Cat]

I had no idea they manufactured them here. I know BCM, Midwest Industries, and couple other lesser known ones, but not Henry. What rock have I been living under?!

 

[Elio Amazed]

Since Saturday the score is:

Marlin XT-22 .22WMR with Westlake 3-9x40 = 7
Squirrels = 0

The score would have been a lot more lopsided if the squirrels had been playing against my 12-gauge.
I could have also taken out that ruffed grouse they sent in twice as an alternate too.
Thinking about taking the old shortened New Haven out of mothballs.
Those shells are 40 years old. I should use them up.

Nobody hunts small game anymore. Saturday there were only two other cars parked at the 165 acre state game land.
The only other people in the entire 448 acre state game land Wednesday were a couple of guys with in-line muzzle loaders.

I had a four point buck walk up on me and had a pheasant walk by ten feet from me.
One of the guys with muzzle loaders said he saw seven pheasants "walking around like chickens"

The rabbits have totally disappeared. Since no-one hunts or traps the predators and the state has protected some of them.
There's been an absolute explosion in the hawk population. No-one bothers with coyotes and foxes anymore.
Even the squirrel population close to the house has dwindled to almost nothing. It's a shame.

 

[Coss]

Wouldn't that be Shooter = 0 Critters = 7
The critters beat the shooter no problem.
The way you had it the critters lost and the shooter won.
Or is that what you meant?