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Full Catalog 3 Wheelers Thread

Discussion in 'Similar Vehicles' started by AriLea, May 27, 2016.

  1. RSchneider

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  2. AriLea

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    hot-for-two (well really 1.5)
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    More artwork, as if you thought it would stop!
    So, where does the door(s) go? I think it should pop out to the side a couple inches then slide back.
    This kind of art doesn't usually consider such things. Also you can't be sure if this is solo, tandem,
    sociable or grid-four seating.
    The top one could be a solo with smart-car sires, a tandem with standard tires or a three or four seat
    with 30in tires. And in many cases, the only drive that can fit in here is an EV drive.
    Just might fit a solo with a small ICE-Transaxle if the drivers feet are apart, however.

    Duh, the bottom one probably is best with sociable-for-two and mid-engine, or 3 seat with an EV drive.

    And yea!, there is not enough room exhibited for the tires to do what they need to do. Once that is accommodated, will the overall pattern look anything like that? Will the implied aerodynamics be the same. -not likely-
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  4. AriLea

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    Re-reading old posts lately, I didn't realize how much interest in this forum there is in the Subaru Boxer. Although it's just as easy that I had talked about it here at other times, but just took it for banter. At the moment I'm interested too. You may have seen what I posted in the Bex thread.

    When I get the 3d graphic done, I will make sure anyone can get access to a copy of it.

    What I'm looking for in the study, is at least one layout that would work for that drive drain. And to see what it would look like. (what I always do, my OCD behavior :-) ) That is, an autocycle-FWD- 3 wheeler, where all things fit, and appear to be useable, and can be assembled and serviced. -- and would be presentable on the street.

    It always makes me a little irate to see car-art-designs that have no intension of ever being real. Just cheap eye-candy. You know how some women hate magazine covers because no-one can compete with an air brush? Similar situation here.

    If I stay interested after that, I may upgrade it to all to a composite layout. Maybe re-think the entry. Maybe make it a full tandem. It is just Solo for now. I'm talking powerful street warrior I guess. There are limits to how much power is safe in a FWD-Tadpole. If materialized into a real craft, this would maybe test that.

    If you have any dreams about style or outfitting for what you would wish in such a craft, I will consider working that in.

    For example I used the 350GT as the style inspiration. I could have used anything.
     
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    What’s the point of interest in a ‘wide tracked’ enclosed three wheeler that has the ride and cost of a car? My interest in three wheelers began 15 years ago when I happened across the Carver, a fully enclosed, ‘narrow’ , ‘tilting’ three wheeler motorcycle that appeared to be fun to ride, although not affordable and/or available in the USA. The typical enclosed three wheeler ‘autocycle’ similar the Elio concept platform, likely drives and handles similar (perhaps not as good) to a typical sub-compact or compact car with little to no fun factor beyond the cockpit feel of a narrow cabin. My primary interest in Elio was the way under $7500/five star safety rating, that lost the safety rating and more likely closer to $15K+ had it crossed the production finish line. Many reservationists would have lost interest at that higher price point. Same with the FUV’s $11, 900 target, turned to $19,900 (many lost interest) after crossing the production finish line, lowered to $11,900 by production scale in a couple years. The more affordable under $25K Tesla will likely be available in a year or 2 and renders appear stylish, and it will be quick off the line, comfortable, long range, AWD, and seats 4.

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    Note: I did find the open air Arcimoto FUV a blast to ride, only because it felt more like riding a reasonably safe motorcycle than driving an enclosed autocycle. When it’s enclosed and equipped with the Tilting Motorworks Trio tilting option I will have come full circle in my pursuit of a narrow, fun to ride, enclosed, tilting, three wheeler and will buy one if someone hasn’t confiscated my driver’s license. :)
     
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    Well, you know, the point is always in the eye of the beholder.
    The Boxer exercise does not have much point (for me). I admit that. But the handling and feel will not be like a normal car.
    (just similar dynamics to a front wheel drive car, this is different than feel)
    The acceleration should be super. But then a street legal Formula Vee would be too. Cost about the same for a one-off as a guess.

    For the boxer or any wide-tracked tadpole(with FWD), First of all, you sit exactly in the CG (or just behind). In a formula 1 or other solo mid engine, you sit just in front. This makes a huge difference in the feel, especially compared to a common sedan. And this is different than sitting above the CG in something that tilts. (apples and oranges comparison for the feel) Hence we say ride, rather than drive.

    I built a mid-engine Chev-ota (V8 chev in a toyota) in the mid 1970's. I was forward, above and left of CG, just a little. Totally different feel than when it was a stock 1600cc. And much better as a Chevota, NEXT we can talk about power.

    For me, I see no point in tilting a trike. It's cheaper and feels better to ride a motorcycle. Then there is the open air issue. Some like it, some don't care. Personally, I hate getting hit by bugs, and hit in the head by rocks, or getting wet. Happens a lot around here. And probably the tilter is no more safe in bad weather than a bike. So IF I was forced to do both a cabin and tilting, I might also consider a Mono-Tracer. Although, I prefer a human foot above an automated kick-stand. And a static third wheel above a transient stopping system of some kind. So maybe I would be more of a Pulse-LiteStar guy, but I wouldn't like floating back and forth to the side at stopping time.

    So I'm totally OK with us having a different idea of what the point is.

    Keep in mind, the Pop-Mechanics (sorry, it was R&T) magazine long-long-ago, about the Tri-Hawk, a very wide tracked, FWD, tadpole trike; They put it up against a number of mid-engine super sports cars. The Hawk won the handling and feel category (plus cost and economy) categories all-hands-down. (none of that considered foul weather driving, tilters don't usually consider that either).

    What the hawk absolutely couldn't do was a controlled power turn. Those particular 'beholder's didn't care about that one.
    So by way of comparison, the Boxer-Trike would likely be better then the Tri-Hawk because of siting solo, and having more useable power and maybe a lower CG. So if being better than a super-sports car for driving feel and handling doesn't have a point.....

    So, I don't see your point fitting in with mine. But that's OK, yours is still valid, for anyone in that lane.
     
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    I respect those traveling in various lanes. I appreciate all the three wheeler options and have been forced to change lanes on occasion due to what I was chasing in my preferred lane turned to vaporware.
     
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    Yes, I feel it, the vaporware conundrum. The main reason I have built or designed anything, is that I couldn't find it anywhere else.
    I'd actually be more happy if 'my lane' showed up elsewhere, or I suddenly had the space-time-money to complete my own.
    Instead both paths are not yet fruitful. (in the autocycle realm)
    On the other hand, after trying, I discovered that I love to make things. And there remains the possibility one of those two paths will deliver. I still have my mock-up, designs and dreams, and people like 'Mark Bex' pop-out once in a while.

    Frankly, it's our video-game-of-life isn't it? A goal energizes us, we try, we do-or-fail, but we played the game. With the right mind set we enjoyed the play. So, HEY, life is good. Those are my roses.
     
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