Friday's The Big Day ... Or Is It?

[RUCRAYZE]

OK you can stay.

Best of the day- lmfao

 

[Ekh]

Your assessment is wrong.

Only I would know my intent. I do not lie. That was just a wild idea for financing.

Im a big skeptic. I WANT THE ELIO TO BE BUILT. IVE SAID IT SEVERAL TIMES. I WILL LOOK INTO BUYING ONE IF IT IS BUILT

That's a start. Since this is the Elio Owners' forum, you input might be more convincing if, instead of looking into it, you plunked your money down.

 

[outsydthebox]

That's a start. Since this is the Elio Owners' forum, you input might be more convincing if, instead of looking into it, you plunked your money down.

I, for one, don't think you should "ignore." If "the ones who know" don't reply to the comments that are "made in ignorance", how will the people who "don't know", get the correct information?
I think Horn really does want an Elio. He's just "hedging his bet" (well, actually he doesn't have a bet). This way, if it fails, he can gloat louder that anyone else. Sad thing (for him) is, by the time he is sure enough to go "all in".....he's gonna have to wait another year! ......uh, I mean

 

[Ty]

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/roadbike.htm
search helps get the facts right

And I'll still stand by my original statement. I haven't ever been asked about emissions on my bikes in 6 states over 28 years of riding.

But, I stand corrected. Apparently, even though there has been a lack of enforcement at the State level, emissions testing by the manufacturer to certify an engine is actually required. I have searched before but didn't find anything that applied to motorcycle engines over 50cc or by Large manufacturers.

I'm cutting this from a site (I'll post the link below it)
The certification process takes a considerable amount of time and money. In order for a bike to pass muster, it must undergo testing at an EPA-approved laboratory, like TET Emissions of Fort Worth, Texas. TET's very existence is a testament to the hardship emissions testing can place on a smaller manufacturer, as the lab was created by American IronHorse founder Bill Rucker in 1996 after he was quoted testing fees of between $50,000-$100,000.

Finding the new regulations as confusing as much of the riding public, we phoned Rucker, figuring if anyone could set us straight it would be him. He was very courteous with his time and broke down the basic EPA-certification process. Rucker's lab can perform a full emission test program for $25,000 or less. The breakdown includes about $20,000 for a series of four mandatory operational tests, which can tally up to 15,000 kilometers (9300 miles). The other five grand goes towards all the paperwork and getting your EPA certification. After testing the new model, it costs $5000 to renew the certification every year after.

 

[eddie66]

I, for one, don't think you should "ignore." If "the ones who know" don't reply to the comments that are "made in ignorance", how will the people who "don't know", get the correct information?
I think Horn really does want an Elio. He's just "hedging his bet" (well, actually he doesn't have a bet). This way, if it fails, he can gloat louder that anyone else. Sad thing (for him) is, by the time he is sure enough to go "all in".....he's gonna have to wait another year! ......uh, I mean

Let's just call it accurately informed. Knowing what we know now, there probably would be a few less all ins if the same information were available sooner. I probably would still have gone all in, but with less disappointment.

 

[ehwatt]

I'm not going to be getting into a urinary stream measurement competition with Horn or anyone else. It is certainly possible to be skeptical -- very skeptical -- without being malicious. Trolls delight in malice; skeptics would love to be convinced they're wrong, but are conditioned to disappointment. Trolls, seek to "head it off at the pass" by dismissing or disrespecting they thing that their other selves would really long for, and by hurting people for the sheer pleasure of doing so.

My assessment of Horn's comments is not that they resided in skepticism -- but that they lurk in the underground passages of the Troll Home. I am convinced his intent was to offend, not enlighten; his motive was to attack, not explain. Stupidity is forgivable, ignorance correctible, but malice can only be ignored or banished.

It is possible to express concerns without rancor. Mr. Horn has consistently failed to do so. He is, of course welcome to his opinions, but unless they are more constructive than they have been, I, for one, will entirely disregard or block them -- I haven't decided which.

"I'm not going to be getting into a urinary stream measurement competition with Horn or anyone else."

I heard it as a pis*ing match with skunk.

 

[Rickb]

I, for one, don't think you should "ignore." If "the ones who know" don't reply to the comments that are "made in ignorance", how will the people who "don't know", get the correct information?
I think Horn really does want an Elio. He's just "hedging his bet" (well, actually he doesn't have a bet). This way, if it fails, he can gloat louder that anyone else. Sad thing (for him) is, by the time he is sure enough to go "all in".....he's gonna have to wait another year! ......uh, I mean

No way of knowing
Which way it's going.

 

[Dusty921]

Wayne is that you????

Naw, Wayne's got a Production number. I think he's really the looney from the Caribbean with a thesaurus and spell check. Notice all the spacing in his posts. I've also got suspicions about you know who, from Long Island, no number either and by the way, if I see one more picture of a Sparrow I'm gonna throw up.

 

[RUCRAYZE]

I think that's EZ (?), but he lost big bucks becoming a "dealer" for Sparrow so I can understand his bitterness.
G1 once mentioned how knowledgeable he is RE: 3 wheel vehicles

 

[karl]

And I'll still stand by my original statement. I haven't ever been asked about emissions on my bikes in 6 states over 28 years of riding.

But, I stand corrected. Apparently, even though there has been a lack of enforcement at the State level, emissions testing by the manufacturer to certify an engine is actually required. I have searched before but didn't find anything that applied to motorcycle engines over 50cc or by Large manufacturers.

I'm cutting this from a site (I'll post the link below it)
The certification process takes a considerable amount of time and money. In order for a bike to pass muster, it must undergo testing at an EPA-approved laboratory, like TET Emissions of Fort Worth, Texas. TET's very existence is a testament to the hardship emissions testing can place on a smaller manufacturer, as the lab was created by American IronHorse founder Bill Rucker in 1996 after he was quoted testing fees of between $50,000-$100,000.

Finding the new regulations as confusing as much of the riding public, we phoned Rucker, figuring if anyone could set us straight it would be him. He was very courteous with his time and broke down the basic EPA-certification process. Rucker's lab can perform a full emission test program for $25,000 or less. The breakdown includes about $20,000 for a series of four mandatory operational tests, which can tally up to 15,000 kilometers (9300 miles). The other five grand goes towards all the paperwork and getting your EPA certification. After testing the new model, it costs $5000 to renew the certification every year after.

And your point is?