Aptera

[Rickb]

Here's the official Aptera Crowdfunding page. This is where I've been getting my information from. So, it's a good read. Shows the crash testing, where the money is going and the return on investment. They even talk about the $400M ATVM loan that they didn't get. In the end, $21,070,000 will get them to production with a $32M profit by 2021 and a $183M profit in 2022. So, I can see why this is the way to go because they will be making a profit before Elio gets to production in February 21, 2021* and need $390M less.

*Assuming full funding today

Latest Aptera info:
https://wefunder.com/aptera

 

[3wheelin]

Feel like driving 1,600 km on one charge? article from Electrive.com
I think a range of 1,600 km is help sales since it can go a lot farther on a charge.

I think the design is futuristic. I really like it. if the price isn't excessive, it would be neat to own and drive one; IMO.
article date / time; Aug 30, 2019 - 10:43 am

I THINK IT'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING SERIOUS FUNDING IF THEY GIVE IT "WINGS". SERIOUSLY.

 

[Elio Amazed]

Here's the official Aptera Crowdfunding page. This is where I've been getting my information from. So, it's a good read. Shows the crash testing, where the money is going and the return on investment. They even talk about the $400M ATVM loan that they didn't get. In the end, $21,070,000 will get them to production with a $32M profit by 2021 and a $183M profit in 2022. So, I can see why this is the way to go because they will be making a profit before Elio gets to production in February 21, 2021* and need $390M less.

*Assuming full funding today

Latest Aptera info:
https://wefunder.com/aptera

I read the entire page a week ago. It's still total BS. Obviously you missed the fact that THERE IS NO WORKING PROTOTYPE OF THE CURRENT DESIGN. Which was Aptera's intention. That's why they worded the text on that page in a manner that leads one to believe they are talking about a vehicle prototype that already exists. That to me is a red flag right off the bat from people who have already used other people's money to fail once at the exact same thing. They failed because they purportedly needed $400M and couldn't get it, but now they're going to do the same thing and achieve successful production and sales of a proposed vehicle that will get 1000 miles per charge with only $21,070,000 of other people's money? And if that's not enough, all that depends on there being a large enough niche market for a very high priced "unique" vehicle to sustain the endeavor long term?

"Why you may want to invest in us...
1 The Aptera can travel 4x farther than the average electric car today."

and...

"These two features plus an extremely efficient powertrain and a low rolling-resistance design make the Aptera the most efficient vehicle available today."

Along with several additional paragraphs that also make it sound like they are talking about an existing vehicle.

Then they turn around and say THIS on their "READ MORE OF THE STORY" link:
"By mid 2020, we plan to create the first new prototypes of the first new Aptera."

IT DOES NOT GET 1000 MILES PER CHARGE.
IT HAS NOT BEEN CRASH TESTED.
IT'S NOT "AVAILABLE TODAY".
IT DOES NOT EXIST!

So how could they crash test a fictitious vehicle? That's an artists rendition! Thanks anyway.

 

[RSchneider]

I read the entire page a week ago. It's still total BS. Thanks anyway.

How can they be BS. It would be like saying Elio Motors plans are BS. As we know they are not. So we have to accept Apteras plans as presented. If we didn't, then we would not support any startups. That would be bad for America and for the jobs that these companies will produce.

 

[Elio Amazed]

How can they be BS. It would be like saying Elio Motors plans are BS. As we know they are not. So we have to accept Apteras plans as presented. If we didn't, then we would not support any startups. That would be bad for America and for the jobs that these companies will produce.

"So we have to accept Apteras plans as presented." Maybe you do, but I sure as hell don't. "That would be bad for America and for the jobs that these companies will produce". What... you're trying to woke-scold me for pointing out the obvious? Well, why not. The entire CGI enhanced video they've got on their funding page is a giant attempt at shaming environmentally conscientious people into supporting this farce. like I suggested, it's a free country and you're free to invest. Best of luck. Just don't try to tell our members that there's already a new prototype and crash testing when this vehicle is currently nothing more than an artist's rendition and some assumed blueprints.

 

[Rickb]

How can they be BS. It would be like saying Elio Motors plans are BS. As we know they are not. So we have to accept Apteras plans as presented. If we didn't, then we would not support any startups. That would be bad for America and for the jobs that these companies will produce.

Support the startups having stated plans resulting in documented tangible milestone achievements.

 

[Rickb]

I THINK IT'LL HAVE A MUCH BETTER CHANCE OF GETTING SERIOUS FUNDING IF THEY GIVE IT "WINGS". SERIOUSLY.

or a better chance of getting off the ground!

 

[RSchneider]

Support the startups having stated plans resulting in documented tangible milestone achievements.
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We need to support all three wheelers. The more the better because it'll show consumer acceptance. That's good news for everyone.

 

[Samuel Gompers]

IMHO, the animosity towards Aptera's latest effort is unwarranted, just as is blind support for for any business claiming that they have the next great trike.

Aptera has at least as good of a production history as Elio, but there are few similarities between the proposed products. Both purport to be aerodynamic delta trikes, but that's about all they have in common.

Arcimoto and Meccanica both are attempting electric delta trikes, but they both have repeatedly missed projected production dates.

Vanderhall and Polaris have both shown that it is possible to bring trikes to market.

Tanom and Campagna both had good runs, and Campagna might be back in business.

I guess what I'm saying is that it's rough out there, and it is a long road between a cool idea and a production vehicle. Not even business deserves support, and some that might deserve support don't get it.

 

[Elio Amazed]

We need to support all three wheelers. The more the better because it'll show consumer acceptance. That's good news for everyone.

Nope. It does damage to the whole industry when people support a bad and, so far in this case, fairly incredulous plan that apparently depends on technology that, to my knowledge (1000 mi range) is not proven and more than likely doesn't even exist yet, to the point where it draws a huge amount of attention, investment and hope, and then fails miserably. Especially when it's owned and managed by people who have already failed the public's trust with basically the same plan and basically the same product. These people have already proven that they are fully capable of doing exactly that again. Right out of the gate their funding page is stuffed full of misleading statements (outright falsehoods depending on your interpretation of the term) and a video that does absolutely nothing but attempt to shame environmentally conscientious people into investing. To say the entire three-wheeler industry wasn't hurt at least as much as it was helped by Elio Motors is to have one's head in the sand. Look around the internet and you'll see what I mean. Since EM burned through $140 million dollars with extremely little to show for it, other start-ups have had one hell of a time trying to raise funding from the public sector. Wonder why. What you're seeing in this response IS part of the test of consumer acceptance in action. At least for that specific PROPOSED product.

The preceding response is my opinion. Your mileage may vary.

But first you need an actual working vehicle to know what your mileage is going to be.