Anyone Else Think It Wont Happen?

[NSTG8R]

Now, how about something practical. Like some suggestions for the page on my website I'm devoting to being a resource for understanding the autocycle legislation category here in Maine. Better description, resources I should link to, etc, etc?

Impressive, John! Can't say I have any constructive input. It's very well thought out the way it is.

 

[Jim H]

There is certainly no reason to think the sky is falling with plenty of time providing funding sources materialize sooner than later. What I didn't like was Paul Elio's statement regarding the still on track to 2015 production statement at the CES. It leaves a black mark on credibility. As a result I take what they say with some doubt. I am peronally less enthusiastic about the company than I was prior, but support and remain hopeful for funding to materialize so they can move forward.

Could not agree more

 

[Cache Man]

... What I didn't like was Paul Elio's statement regarding the still on track to 2015 production statement at the CES. It leaves a black mark on credibility. As a result I take what they say with some doubt. I am peronally less enthusiastic about the company than I was prior, but support and remain hopeful for funding to materialize so they can move forward.

I don't see this as a credibility issue. Have you ever stated that you will do something expecting everything to work out fine and then an issue hits? I believe that Paul thought this was going to work (crystal ball comment). He may have struggled with the possibility of it not as time passed, with the hopes that it would still. For example... He may have thought if I say anything about the money before it is a know issue it may cause unwarranted concern. It just may work out fine. Or he may thought... Do I wait until I know? I feel Paul waited until he knew and he was up front and forth coming with the details. This takes integrity and courage to face an "audience" that has already show hostilities. I admire what he did.

 

[RUCRAYZE]

I don't see this as a credibility issue. Have you ever stated that you will do something expecting everything to work out fine and then an issue hits? I believe that Paul thought this was going to work (crystal ball comment). He may have struggled with the possibility of it not as time passed, with the hopes that it would still. For example... He may have thought if I say anything about the money before it is a know issue it may cause unwarranted concern. It just may work out fine. Or he may thought... Do I wait until I know? I feel Paul waited until he knew and he was up front and forth coming with the details. This takes integrity and courage to face an "audience" that has already show hostilities. I admire what he did.

But had he not been giving a report to the Parish elders, would he have said it the day before?, the day after? sooner?
later? It's how it was revealed not on hs Fri pep reports, not on Tech issue,not on blog, not a news release
Timing is everything.
"yes honey I was gonna tell you as soon as i got home"

 

[Kuda]

So, I guess Forumla 1 got it right the first time.

 

[eddie66]

I don't see this as a credibility issue. Have you ever stated that you will do something expecting everything to work out fine and then an issue hits? I believe that Paul thought this was going to work (crystal ball comment). He may have struggled with the possibility of it not as time passed, with the hopes that it would still. For example... He may have thought if I say anything about the money before it is a know issue it may cause unwarranted concern. It just may work out fine. Or he may thought... Do I wait until I know? I feel Paul waited until he knew and he was up front and forth coming with the details. This takes integrity and courage to face an "audience" that has already show hostilities. I admire what he did.

The only problem with that theory is that it took a status request from the Parrish on the job situation and start date to bring out the truth. If Paul would have offered up that information voluntarily when he was first aware, it would have been a lot easier to swallow. Instead or repeatedly saying "we're on track for the third quarter of 2015", until his feet were held to the fire. For me, this created a major trust issue. Clearly, he was never on track with financing. The loan from the government should have been a backup plan, not a do or die plan.

 

[Kuda]

Now, how about something practical. Like some suggestions for the page on my website I'm devoting to being a resource for understanding the autocycle legislation category here in Maine. Better description, resources I should link to, etc, etc?

If redundant please delete.

Best Template: http://elioowners.com/threads/legal-motorcycle-license-and-helmet-laws.1001/page-44#post-71347

You may want to aquatint your guy about this: http://www.aamva.org/Search.aspx?searchtext=autocycle

POST#: http://elioowners.com/threads/legal-motorcycle-license-and-helmet-laws.1001/page-6#post-5780
↑I've been in contact with Joel Sheltrown, VP of Government Affairs, at Elio Motors and he email me the information for an "auto cycle". I will be meeting with my local state representative to help add this to my state's statute.

We can all helping make it easier for this new vehicle become a reality.
You can also go to the AAMVA website and download their "Best Practices for regulation of 3-wheel vehicles." (I believe it is 17 pages.) They also have a 5:40 Youtube video demonstrating the differences between 3 wheel motorcycles and the autocycle. Elio is used in the video as an example of the autocycle. This is the organization that state DMVs go to to get Best Practices advice for motor vehicles. The working document and the video were from October 2013. The chairman of the group is from Oregon which is probably why Oregon's law is so simple and so clear. An Elio will be licensed as a motorcycle but the driver does not need a helmet or a motorcycle endorsement.

tellmemore@eliomotors.com

 

[Cache Man]

In response to eddie66 & RUCRAYZE:

I don't know for sure if there was hiding going on. And anyone that would say different would be speculating. For example... If a wife feels that a husband needs to buy a gift early to show he put thought in it and had forethought of her (show love) would see a gift that was bought one week before the occasion as a lack of love or thought of her and he didn't show this. Maybe the husband spent many weeks or months and night thinking of his wife and the perfect gift to give her. He then finally decided a week before the occasion on what he thought would convey his love. The perfect gift. His gift had a lot of thought put into it and forethought out of love for his wife. While it cannot be proved, you (she) have to look at the totality of the circumstance(s). What is the history to base your assumption?

In the case of Elio, there is none. There is nothing to prove Paul was force to tell because of the meeting. The meeting was set and just maybe Paul was hoping to have good news by then. It may not have panned out like he wished it had. So to say he was forced by the meeting, is to say you "know" he had foreknowledge it was not going to work. Then you also must understand the PR part of this project. Do you wish he came out one week or even two weeks prior and said it isn't working out? Or is the meeting the best forum to do so?

To say his credibility is damaged, is to show biasness towards looking for fault. You cannot prove it but you can believe so and try to state it as fact. What appears to be one way can quickly change 180 degrees with more understanding and looking at the whole picture.

I see nothing wrong or can be proven to be so. It is all speculation. Funny thing is that the Salem witch "trials" were based on speculation and fear. Then the "test" to prove the guilt was based on speculation and fear.

We have no proof that Paul has mislead anyone.

We can definitely be disappointed and there is proof of this. We cannot say there is proof of Paul's lack of credibility when it is just those who perceive it to be, and stating it as true while looking for anything to "imply" or in their mind "prove" so. All the while overlooking all that shows different.

 

[RUCRAYZE]

In response to eddie66 & RUCRAYZE:

I don't know for sure if there was hiding going on. And anyone that would say different would be speculating. For example... If a wife feels that a husband needs to buy a gift early to show he put thought in it and had forethought of her (show love) would see a gift that was bought one week before the occasion as a lack of love or thought of her and he didn't show this. Maybe the husband spent many weeks or months and night thinking of his wife and the perfect gift to give her. He then finally decided a week before the occasion on what he thought would convey his love. The perfect gift. His gift had a lot of thought put into it and forethought out of love for his wife. While it cannot be proved, you (she) have to look at the totality of the circumstance(s). What is the history to base your assumption? In the case of Elio, there is none. There is nothing to prove Paul was force to tell because of the meeting. The meeting was set and just maybe Paul was hoping to have good news by then. It may not have panned out like he wished it had. So to say he was forced by the meeting, is to say you "know" he had foreknowledge it was not going to work. Then you also must understand the PR part of this project. Do you wish he came out one week or even two weeks prior and said it isn't working out? Or is the meeting the best forum to do so?

To say his credibility is damaged, is to show biasness towards looking for fault. You cannot prove it but you can believe so and state it as fact. What appears to be one way can quickly change 180 degrees with more understanding and looking at the whole picture.

I see nothing wrong or can be proven to be so. It is all speculation. Funny thing is that the Salem witch "trials" were based one speculation and fear. Then the "test" to prove the guilt was based on speculation and fear.

We have no proof that Paul has miss lead anyone.

We can definitely be disappointed and there is proof of this. We cannot say there is proof of Paul's lack of credibility when it is just those who perceive it to be, and stating it as true while looking for anything to "imply" or in their mind "prove" so. All the while overlooking all that shows different.

Would she think he didn't love her enough that he only bought it one week before, maybe she thought she should get it a month before to show how much he really loved her. And maybe 6 months before after she learns her friend's husband bought her gift 2 months before. What the H*ll is that all about. Can love only be accepted with gift timing??
Your "totality of the Circumstances" is based on material recognition, which love should transcend. What does the poor guy who has no $ ?? .......
But back to EM.....
I don't love him less 'cause my present (my &) isn't coming on time, I love him less because I first found out in a small-town news paper story.

 

[Cache Man]

Would she think he didn't love her enough that he only bought it one week before, maybe she thought she should get it a month before to show how much he really loved her. And maybe 6 months before after she learns her friend's husband bought her gift 2 months before. What the H*ll is that all about. Can love only be accepted with gift timing??
Your "totality of the Circumstances" is based on material recognition, which love should transcend. What does the poor guy who has no $ ?? .......
But back to EM.....
I don't love him less 'cause my present (my &) isn't coming on time, I love him less because I first found out in a small-town news paper story.

It is a metaphor. It is all about perception. It give little heed to what is true or the possibilities that may exist. It is assumptions based on our individual beliefs or views.