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Floydv, that's not true. The criterion is that the DOE must have a reasonable expectation that EM will be able to pay back the loan without any further federal funding. They could be completely reliant on the ATVM loan for the business plan to work as long as it is otherwise sound and doesn't rely on more government money.

It may still just be a marketing tactic to claim there are alternatives, but we won't know unless the ATVM loan is declined.
I stand corrected. There's additional factors considered for financial viability and what "without any further federal funding" means in 10 CFR 611.100(c) and (d):

§ 611.100 Eligible applicant.
(a) In order to be eligible to receive a loan under this part, an applicant
(1) Must be either—
(i) An automobile manufacturer that can demonstrate an improved fuel economy as specified in paragraph (b) of this section, or
(ii) A manufacturer of a qualifying component; and
(2) Must be financially viable without receipt of additional Federal funding associated with the proposed eligible project.
(b) Improved fuel economy. (1) If the applicant is an automobile manufacturer that manufactured in model year 2005, vehicles subject to the CAFE requirements, the applicant must demonstrate that its adjusted average fuel economy for its light-duty vehicle fleet produced in the most recent year for which final CAFE compliance data is available, at the time of application, is greater than or equal to the adjusted average fuel economy of the applicant's fleet for MY 2005, based on the MY 2005 final CAFE compliance data.
(2) If the applicant is an automobile manufacturer that did not manufacture in model year 2005, vehicles subject to the CAFE requirements, the applicant must demonstrate that the projected combined fuel economy for the relevant the advanced technology vehicle that is the subject of the application is greater than or equal to the industry adjusted average fuel economy for model year 2005 of equivalent vehicles, based on final CAFE compliance data.
(3) The CAFE values under this paragraph are to be calculated using the CAFE procedures applicable to the model year being evaluated.
(4) An applicant must provide fuel economy data, at the model level, relied upon to make the demonstration required by this section.
(5) An applicant that is a manufacturer of a qualifying component under paragraph (a)(1)(ii) of this section does not need to make a showing of improved fuel economy under this paragraph.
(c) In determining under paragraph (a)(2) of this section whether an applicant is financially viable, the Department will consider a number of factors, including, but not limited to:
(1) The applicant's debt-to-equity ratio as of the date of the loan application;
(2) The applicant's earnings before interest, taxes, depreciation, and amortization (EBITDA) for the applicant's most recent fiscal year prior to the date of the loan application;
(3) The applicant's debt to EBITDA ratio as of the date of the loan application;
(4) The applicant's interest coverage ratio (calculated as EBITDA divided by interest expenses) for the applicant's most recent fiscal year prior to the date of the loan application;
(5) The applicant's fixed charge coverage ratio (calculated as EBITDA plus fixed charges divided by fixed charges plus interest expenses) for the applicant's most recent fiscal year prior to the date of the loan application;
(6) The applicant's liquidity as of the date of the loan application;
(7) Statements from applicant's lenders that the applicant is current with all payments due under loans made by those lenders at the time of the loan application; and
(8) Financial projections demonstrating the applicant's solvency through the period of time that the loan is outstanding.
(d) For purposes of making a determination under paragraph (a)(2) of this section, additional Federal funding includes any loan, grant, guarantee, insurance, payment, rebate, subsidy, credit, tax benefit, or any other form of direct or indirect assistance from the Federal government, or any agency or instrumentality thereof, other than the proceeds of a loan approved under this Part, that is, or is expected to be made available with respect to, the project for which the loan is sought under this Part.
 

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So looking at the 'structure'... If it was worth 1b on Friday at $40/share what is the remainder worth today at $65? What funding does Elio stand to acquire based on this?
ELIO Security Details . . . Share Structure
Market Value1 $1,059,501,920 a/o Feb 26, 2016
Authorized Shares 100,000,000 a/o Feb 18, 2016
Outstanding Shares 26,487,548 a/o Feb 18, 2016
-Restricted Not Available
-Unrestricted Not Available
Held at DTC Not Available
Float 1,410,048 a/o Feb 18, 2016
Par Value Not Available
What does float and outstanding mean? How many shares have actually been sold? Based just on what you guys have posted, since last week it looks to me (as a guess) something like 30k stocks have traded since then.
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The Float The float is the number of outstanding shares available to be traded on the stock market.
Outstanding Shares
The number of outstanding shares is equal to the total number of stocks owned by shareholders and cannot exceed the number of authorized shares.
Authorized Shares initially determined by the number of authorized shares laid out in its articles of incorporation.

So 26m were in stock holders hands on the 18th, but still what has Em moved so far? Presumably 74m can be sold eventually.
 
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So looking at the 'structure'... If it was worth 1b on Friday at $40/share what is the remainder worth today at $65? What funding does Elio stand to acquire based on this?

What does float and outstanding mean? How many shares have actually been sold? Based just on what you guys have posted, since last week it looks to me (as a guess) something like 30k stocks have traded since then.

Can't answer your question, but I did find some interesting info in the 'charts' tab along the l/h side of the website. They might have just what you're looking for there.
 

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Guess, I'll have to watch the outstanding and the average price. When the outstanding moves, whatever the average price was for that time period, gives me what EM has collected.
At the moment that is maybe 1.2million for 4 days. At that rate they will have 200mil in 100days.

The full 76m stocks at $40 each would be worth 1.29b, or 6 times what Em needs to begin production. So what is the likely hood that they will sell $200m worth in 6 months?
(even sold at $12 each, 74m stocks are worth $888m, 4 times what Em needs.)

So do you see why I'm interested?

So here is one play out for a big spender, if your stock purchase gets EM the full $200m to begin production, and Em closes the stock sales, what is your stock now worth to you, given it isn't diluted by other ongoing stock sales? Very interesting.

How many stocks does Em need to sell at $65 each? 3m. How long will that take at 60k each week? 51days.

If the price floats that way for a while, I'm thinking the next 60days will be very interesting indeed.

We MUST watch that outstanding stocks number this next week. That will square up these estimates.
 
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Interesting...the stock was up today 50% on the final bid-ask quote...

But...only 3,327 shares traded hands...

Thin trading at best...

There will be no true price discovery with this anemic volume...

Investment quality stocks rarely (if ever) move 50% in a day...

FYI...what also trades on the grey market...stocks that were once traded on major exchanges that have suffered financial missteps or failed to meet ongoing SEC requirements...and than were de-listed...

The grey market is unlike any major exchange...it's very unregulated compared to major exchange's...

Elio stock reminds me of Bitcoin trading...huge swings with no clear fundamental catalyst ...

Most investors use two methods to value an equity...either fundamental or technical analysis...
 
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Welcome to the world of speculative VC style investing. It's very high risk, but insanely high rewards are also possible (like >400% ROI in a couple of months, for a relevant example). This is the first time any of us lowly just well-off folks (those with a few thousand to throw around but don't meet the "accredited investor" status) have had a chance to play in this game, so we're all learning.

By the way, AriLea, it's unlikely Paul and the board could sell enough of their stock to pay for production. They almost certainly couldn't find enough buyers to make that viable (they only raised $17 million at $12/share). Besides, it would probably violate some SEC rules, though I have no idea which ones.
 

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Interesting...the stock was up today 50% on the final bid-ask quote...

But...only 3,327 shares traded hands...

Thin trading at best...

There will be no true price discovery with this anemic volume...

Investment quality stocks rarely (if ever) move 50% in a day...

FYI...what also trades on the grey market...stocks that were once traded on major exchanges that have suffered financial missteps or failed to meet ongoing SEC requirements...and than were de-listed...

The grey market is unlike any major exchange...it's very unregulated compared to major exchange's...

Elio stock reminds me of Bitcoin trading...huge swings with no clear fundamental catalyst ...

Most investors use two methods to value an equity...either fundamental or technical analysis...

Have you even checked out their [OTC] site?

Elio Motors trades on the OTCQX market, and I'll just copy/paste direct from their site to save me some typing. Hint: EM is trading on the "preferred" market of the three they represent.

Edited to detail the other two levels. OTCQX in bold print. Counts for something in my book.

To create clarity in the investment process, we organize these securities into three tiered marketplaces - OTCQX, OTCQB and OTC Pink - based on the quality and quantity of information the companies make available.

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The Best Marketplace

The OTCQX® Best Marketplace is for established investor-focused U.S. and global companies. To qualify for the OTCQX marketplace, companies must meet high financial standards, demonstrate compliance with U.S. securities laws, be current in their disclosure, and be sponsored by a professional third-party advisor. The companies found on OTCQX are distinguished by the integrity of their operations and diligence with which they convey their qualifications.


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The Venture Marketplace

The OTCQB® Venture Marketplace is for entrepreneurial and development stage U.S. and international companies that are unable to qualify for OTCQX. To be eligible, companies must be current in their reporting and undergo an annual verification and management certification process. These standards provide a strong baseline of transparency, as well as the technology and regulation to improve the information and trading experience for investors. Companies must meet a minimum $0.01 bid price test and may not be in bankruptcy.


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The Open Marketplace

The OTC Pink® Open Marketplace offers trading in a wide spectrum of equity securities through any broker. This marketplace is for all types of companies that are there by reasons of default, distress or design, which is why they are further sub-categorized by the levels of information that they provide.
 
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