The Elio Engine

[Ray O]

We have not seen the results of a Dino test. We all know the goal of 55 HP. I can not believe that the results were not quite a bit higher. 900cc is 55 cu. in. In automobiles a one to one HP to cubic inch. was accomplished with carburetors and mechanical ignitions. With fuel injection and electronic ignitions this should be quite possible on regular fuel. The basic design we say look good. By the way motorcycle engines do way better. Perhaps they is a an issue with cost of engine. If anyone has information please share.

 

[Jeff Miller]

Many of the higher powered small motors get their HP from spinning faster and often lack on the low end torque. EM/IAV designed this engine to have a lot of low end torque and I suspect there was some trade off in top end performance to get that torque.

I've ridden a number of motorcycles that produce ungodly amounts of upper end HP as well as those that have low end grunt with only stupid amounts of power. I'd rather have the stupid power and low end grunt to ungodly power that makes me slip clutches and listen to angry bees while driving down the road.

If the car can accelerate to 60 in less than 10 seconds, got better than 100 mph, and still get 84 mpg then I think EM/IAV probably hit the right balance in tuning the engine.

 

[NSTG8R]

Many of the higher powered small motors get their HP from spinning faster and often lack on the low end torque. EM/IAV designed this engine to have a lot of low end torque and I suspect there was some trade off in top end performance to get that torque.

I've ridden a number of motorcycles that produce ungodly amounts of upper end HP as well as those that have low end grunt with only stupid amounts of power. I'd rather have the stupid power and low end grunt to ungodly power that makes me slip clutches and listen to angry bees while driving down the road.

If the car can accelerate to 60 in less than 10 seconds, got better than 100 mph, and still get 84 mpg then I think EM/IAV probably hit the right balance in tuning the engine.

If the Elio does have a 0 - 60 between 10 and 11 seconds (with a factory tune), it's in good company.



Pontiac Firebird Sprint 3.8L - [1967]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.1 seconds

Volvo 144 Grand Luxe 2.0 8v - [1966]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.1 seconds

Alfa-Romeo Alfasud 1.5 Ti QV - [1983]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.2 seconds

Ford Thunderbird 312 - [1956]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.2 seconds

Peugeot 504 2.7 V6 - [1974]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.2 seconds

Audi Coupe 2.0 GT - [1984]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.3 seconds

Bentley Corniche 6.8 V8 - [1971]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.3 seconds

Ford Fiesta 1.6 Zetec S - [1999]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.3 seconds

BMW 2000 CS - [1965]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.4 seconds

Bentley T 2 6.8 V8 - [1977]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.4 seconds

Frazer-Nash Targa Florio 2.0 Cabriolet - [1952]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.4 seconds

Jaguar Mark X 4.2L Overdrive - [1964]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.4 seconds

Mazda 2 1.5 Sport - [2007]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.4 seconds

Mini Cooper Paceman - [2012]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.4 seconds

Aston-Martin 2/4 MK II - [1955]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.5 seconds

BMW 507 3.2 V8 - [1956]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.5 seconds

Chevrolet Vega 2300 GT 4 Speed - [1971]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.5 seconds

Chevrolet Vega Cosworth Twin Cam - [1975]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.5 seconds

Ferrari 212 Export - [1951]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.5 seconds

Mercedes SL Class 230SL W113 - [1963]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.5 seconds

Bentley Corniche 6.8 V8 Convertible - [1971]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.6 seconds

Ford Capri 2000 GT - [1969]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.6 seconds

Jensen 541 R 4.0 12v - [1957]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.6 seconds

Renault Captur 1.2 Turbo TCe 120 EDC - [2013]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.6 seconds

Vauxhall-Opel GT 1900 - [1968]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.6 seconds

Vauxhall-Opel Manta GT/E 1.9 8v - [1974]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.6 seconds

Vauxhall-Opel Viva GT 2.0L - [1968]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.7 seconds

Ferrari 125 S 1.5L V12 - [1947]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.8 seconds

Ford Falcon 1st Gen Sports Hardtop 260 V8 4-Speed - [1963]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.8 seconds

Ford KA Street KA - [2002]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.8 seconds

Talbot Samba Rallye 1.2 - [1984]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.8 seconds

Triumph TR4 2.1L - [1961]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.9 seconds

Chevrolet Corvette C1 235 Convertible - [1953]
0 to 60 mph time - 11.0 seconds

Dacia Sandero 1.6 16v - [2011]
0 to 60 mph time - 11.0 seconds

Jaguar XK 140 SE - [1954]
0 to 60 mph time - 11.0 seconds

Vauxhall-Opel Manta 1.8 GT - [1982]
0 to 60 mph time - 11.0 seconds

 

[Ray O]

I do agree that high RPM engine produce more HP but I also believe real power is in torque for real power. I still think it will hove more Hp and more torque. If I am wrong that still great. I will be happy withe the estimated goals. I still want to see the results of the test.

 

[satx]

building and tuning for high power per cu in probably means a more temperamental engine requiring more maintenance.

I'm fine with 55 hp and more robust, low-maintenance engine.

 

[Durk Jenkins]

We have not seen the results of a Dino test. We all know the goal of 55 HP. I can not believe that the results were not quite a bit higher. 900cc is 55 cu. in. In automobiles a one to one HP to cubic inch. was accomplished with carburetors and mechanical ignitions. With fuel injection and electronic ignitions this should be quite possible on regular fuel. The basic design we say look good. By the way motorcycle engines do way better. Perhaps they is a an issue with cost of engine. If anyone has information please share.

 

[Durk Jenkins]

I would like to know what happened to the big dyno test result a month ago? Big build up and then swept under the rug?? I am getting disappointed with some of these things. If they are not sure of something then say nothing at all.

 

[W. WIllie]

If the Elio does have a 0 - 60 between 10 and 11 seconds (with a factory tune), it's in good company.



Pontiac Firebird Sprint 3.8L - [1967]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.1 seconds

Volvo 144 Grand Luxe 2.0 8v - [1966]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.1 seconds

Alfa-Romeo Alfasud 1.5 Ti QV - [1983]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.2 seconds

Ford Thunderbird 312 - [1956]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.2 seconds

Peugeot 504 2.7 V6 - [1974]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.2 seconds

Audi Coupe 2.0 GT - [1984]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.3 seconds

Bentley Corniche 6.8 V8 - [1971]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.3 seconds

Ford Fiesta 1.6 Zetec S - [1999]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.3 seconds

BMW 2000 CS - [1965]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.4 seconds

Bentley T 2 6.8 V8 - [1977]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.4 seconds

Frazer-Nash Targa Florio 2.0 Cabriolet - [1952]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.4 seconds

Jaguar Mark X 4.2L Overdrive - [1964]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.4 seconds

Mazda 2 1.5 Sport - [2007]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.4 seconds

Mini Cooper Paceman - [2012]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.4 seconds

Aston-Martin 2/4 MK II - [1955]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.5 seconds

BMW 507 3.2 V8 - [1956]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.5 seconds

Chevrolet Vega 2300 GT 4 Speed - [1971]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.5 seconds

Chevrolet Vega Cosworth Twin Cam - [1975]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.5 seconds

Ferrari 212 Export - [1951]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.5 seconds

Mercedes SL Class 230SL W113 - [1963]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.5 seconds

Bentley Corniche 6.8 V8 Convertible - [1971]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.6 seconds

Ford Capri 2000 GT - [1969]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.6 seconds

Jensen 541 R 4.0 12v - [1957]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.6 seconds

Renault Captur 1.2 Turbo TCe 120 EDC - [2013]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.6 seconds

Vauxhall-Opel GT 1900 - [1968]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.6 seconds

Vauxhall-Opel Manta GT/E 1.9 8v - [1974]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.6 seconds

Vauxhall-Opel Viva GT 2.0L - [1968]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.7 seconds

Ferrari 125 S 1.5L V12 - [1947]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.8 seconds

Ford Falcon 1st Gen Sports Hardtop 260 V8 4-Speed - [1963]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.8 seconds

Ford KA Street KA - [2002]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.8 seconds

Talbot Samba Rallye 1.2 - [1984]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.8 seconds

Triumph TR4 2.1L - [1961]
0 to 60 mph time - 10.9 seconds

Chevrolet Corvette C1 235 Convertible - [1953]
0 to 60 mph time - 11.0 seconds

Dacia Sandero 1.6 16v - [2011]
0 to 60 mph time - 11.0 seconds

Jaguar XK 140 SE - [1954]
0 to 60 mph time - 11.0 seconds

Vauxhall-Opel Manta 1.8 GT - [1982]
0 to 60 mph time - 11.0 seconds

Don't forget the Honda Insight G1 2000-2006 1L.........10.4 seconds 0-60 also.
The Insight gets the best mileage because of the ability to enter the "Lean Burn" zone, (22.4-1 AFR) not because of the HYBRID system.

 

[goofyone]

Elio Motors has already told us that as designed the current engine is capable of more power out of the box. The plan has always been to de-tune the engine to maximize fuel efficiency. During one of the town hall meetings Paul Elio even told us that after production begins the plan is to offer a more powerful engine tune to existing owners which would likely result in HP numbers of about 65-70 which does not sound like much however that is roughly 20%+ more power than the factory tune.

The IAV engine is also easily capable of even more power than those numbers with an upgraded cylinder head featuring technologies such as variable valve timing/lift and dual-cams operating four valves per cylinder. On top of all that we know the engine block is engineered so it can handle the stresses of using a turbo as EM has told us this and have even told us they left extra space in the plant design for the steps required in building and installing a turbo engine.

 

[satx]

I long for the day when the complexity and maintenance cost of internal combustion engines are replaced by EVs.