I do not “assume all 'blue collars' are clueless dipsh*ts”. Before I got my engineering degree (Masters, Purdue Univ.) I worked for several years as a technician and will be the first to state that in many instances, the technicians do exactly the same work as the engineers. In most instances, the talent of the individual is more important than the formal training.Ouch! Tough crowd!
I'm a "wrench turner" with 30+ years on aircraft, and I promise you that I know pretty much everything 'engineering-wise' about the process. We've (wrench turners) been included in every major/minor change to the present design (F-15) for our input on tool design to egronomics during fabrication to station placements of new/redesigned parts. I'm currently the lead in my department, and the only collateral inspector for the departments on either side of mine. I talk with (work related and non-work related) engineers of every possible discipline every day, and they consistently ask for my (our - wrench turners) input....with the exception of a few arrogant jerks (usually newbie engineers), they don't add a fastener to the blueprint without checking with us first. Don't assume all 'blue collars' are clueless dipsh*ts.
I worked for Bell Labs in development of telephone switching systems who’s computer has my designs in it. I worked on the AMRAAM air to air missile whose computer and test software have my designs in them. I have worked on fighter jet radars. I have written part of the design specifications for proposals while bidding on some of Europe’s fighter jets (after the proposal I was told to wait because it would be very slow). I have been in rooms where fighter radar bid proposal specifications were being thrashed out, and I felt very inadequate by the tremendous business and technical brainpower present.
You have been involved in the modification of one existing systems. I have been involved in the initial proposal and development of several systems and it is not at all simple. Government defense projects like you and I work on have lots of money. EM is working on a shoestring budget. Our work is technical which is usually logical. Paul Elio’s work also includes business, finance, and pleasing investors which is not near as logical.
Governmental defense systems are plagued by tremendous delays before reaching production. I have worked mostly with development of these systems and I am very familiar with delays. I do not see EM’s delays as abnormal in any way.
In your intial post (post 1 of this thread) you said “I'm a 30 year veteran of the auto industry”. Then in post 221 of this thread you said you have “30+ years on aircraft” and you specifically say the F-15 aircraft. Thirty years in one industry is definitely not 30 years in the other industry.
Gotchya.
Just as I suspected. Soneone feeling insecure trying to look like a big man.
Now, tuck your tail between your legs and leave!
EDIT: I got the posts mixed up and clicked on the wrong one, mixing NSTG8R (who seems to have class) with Texas Elio (who...). However my sentiments remain the same. I do not like arrogance.
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