Odds & Ends And All Things That Don't Fit Anything Else

[CrimsonEclipse]

That's pretty cool, but, are you ready to give up control of your driving?
And trust a machine to drive for you?

It's not really our choice.
Most people on Elioowners are older, likely beyond the 17-35 demographic that truly changes the landscape.
They in fact, WILL, trust their lives with something unproven (see Uber)
They (commonly referred to as 'millennials') will use autonomous vehicles in abundance.

I look forward to it simply to get drunks and the old off the roads. (or at least not in control)

Even with today's primitive autonomous technology, it's likely that the fatalities per 1,000,000 miles beats conventional vehicles.

 

[RUCRAYZE]

It's not really our choice.
Most people on Elioowners are older, likely beyond the 17-35 demographic that truly changes the landscape.
They in fact, WILL, trust their lives with something unproven (see Uber)
They (commonly referred to as 'millennials') will use autonomous vehicles in abundance.

I look forward to it simply to get drunks and the old off the roads. (or at least not in control)

Even with today's primitive autonomous technology, it's likely that the fatalities per 1,000,000 miles beats conventional vehicles.

Possibly, millennials are not keen on purchasing homes, purchasing cars, and having kids. They tend to be socially inept, as they are incapable of establishing relationships with their addiction to phones and the "likes" they get- Whanna see addiction?? take away the phone and sit back and watch!!

 

[Coss]

Could not have said it better myself. That is really right on the money.
Now if you gave them the cars, they would take them, and turn them into flop houses.

 

[Made in USA]

A situation will be happening soon that will cause a major shakeup to the existing job model. It seems that for years (decades?) that more companies are trying to do more "paperwork" and less actual manufacturing. So the school systems are reflecting this in their curriculums. Most young people do not know how to work with their hands. They are however computer literate. What will disrupt all this is that some smart programmers will have artificial intelligence computers that will also replace many of the white collar paperwork jobs. Then what will they do?

From an upcoming book by David Savage: "All hail the 863".

 

[electroken]

A situation will be happening soon that will cause a major shakeup to the existing job model. It seems that for years (decades?) that more companies are trying to do more "paperwork" and less actual manufacturing. So the school systems are reflecting this in their curriculums. Most young people do not know how to work with their hands. They are however computer literate. What will disrupt all this is that some smart programmers will have artificial intelligence computers that will also replace many of the white collar paperwork jobs. Then what will they do?

From an upcoming book by David Savage: "All hail the 863".

I see evidence of the bolded text every day.

During my middle school years I considered the wood and metal shop courses I was required to take a waste of time. I didn't understand that those basic skills would be used daily.

Fast forward to the 21st century. I mentor a high school robotics team. These are not dumb kids and a few of them are highly motivated. However, there are no longer any mandatory shop classes. The majority of them come in as freshman unable to read any measurement tool correctly (or even incorrectly). Forget the power tools. They've never seen them before.

 

[Made in USA]

To explain the "All Hail the 863" quote. To fill 100 jobs on his new production line, Henry Ford was forced to hire 963 skilled workmen and women (863 did not stay on). And he had to double his wages to achieve his goals.

David Savage book extracts: The 863 who could not stomach Ford’s new factory are, for me, the interesting ones. Where did they go? .......

All we needed to do was to give up the personal skill we earned over 10,000 hours. Plus, the personal pride in the achievement of making, of doing something complex and difficult and doing it well. For there was no real skill required on Ford’s line – just hard manual work, day after day, after day, after day. The 863 who could not take up Ford’s offer could not do that. All hail the daft old 863!

Publisher: https://blog.lostartpress.com/2018/09/10/all-hail-the-863-chapter-5-the-intelligent-hand/

 

[AriLea]

It's not really our choice.
Most people on Elioowners are older, likely beyond the 17-35 demographic that truly changes the landscape.
.... They (commonly referred to as 'millennials') will use autonomous vehicles in abundance...... .

Well, if we look at the end point of the changes.... Yes, I agree, and..and, If a car can deliver itself to you, and most people have become detached from the whole ownership experience as many millennial have, perhaps we don't normally own our own cars anymore.

Let's say you can expect a ride to show with-in 5 minutes of a call, or by schedule. If the ride cost is lower than ownership then why own?

If in combination with buses and fold-up bikes, even downtown you can get to work in a reasonable time, it becomes attractive to not own at all. For buses to be a good partner in all of this, more people need to ride them, which could happen.

But there IS some limits to the 'delivered' paradigm, since the delivery part puts more traffic on the roads, while reducing the parking issues.

My car payment, gas and insurance costs me about $650/mo for a 25 mile (one way) commute. Going to work would have to cost less than $12 bucks each way to be worth it for me to be giving up ownership. If you live closer, then your trade-offs differ a little from that. For a 5 mile commute(less and a bike/walking is attractive), I'd guess around $5-$8 is the break-over. There is less benefit around the 'hands-free time' in a short commute and more for the long drive which should also be considered.

And of course, there may be availability issues at peak usage times. So maybe each family would require one car ownership, just-in-case. Currently most families have 2 or more.

I should note, hurricane evacuation is much more difficult if autonomous rental were the standard model.

 

[Ty]

Well, if we look at the end point of the changes.... Yes, I agree, and..and, If a car can deliver itself to you, and most people have become detached from the whole ownership experience as many millennial have, perhaps we don't normally own our own cars anymore.

Let's say you can expect a ride to show with-in 5 minutes of a call, or by schedule. If the ride cost is lower than ownership then why own?

If in combination with buses and fold-up bikes, even downtown you can get to work in a reasonable time, it becomes attractive to not own at all. For buses to be a good partner in all of this, more people need to ride them, which could happen.

But there IS some limits to the 'delivered' paradigm, since the delivery part puts more traffic on the roads, while reducing the parking issues.

My car payment, gas and insurance costs me about $650/mo for a 25 mile (one way) commute. Going to work would have to cost less than $12 bucks each way to be worth it for me to be giving up ownership. If you live closer, then your trade-offs differ a little from that. For a 5 mile commute(less and a bike/walking is attractive), I'd guess around $5-$8 is the break-over. There is less benefit around the 'hands-free time' in a short commute and more for the long drive which should also be considered.

And of course, there may be availability issues at peak usage times. So maybe each family would require one car ownership, just-in-case. Currently most families have 2 or more.

I should note, hurricane evacuation is much more difficult if autonomous rental were the standard model.

Well said. I never even considered the almost doubling in traffic that self-delivering vehicles would cause. However, let's go whole-hog here. We wake up to find ourselves in a society where on-call autonomous cars are used by all. You wake up, get ready for work and your home smart system knows how early to order your vehicle so that it is ready when you walk out the door. Cool. You get to work and perform whatever task you do and by the time you hit the door, your car is waiting for you. Inside the car is your mail, groceries, and Amazon purchases ready for delivery to your house with you. It really isn't that far fetched that your autonomous car could check your mail and have the autonomous mail/package center load your mail (it'd be easier for them than driving to your house in yet another vehicle). You can already order groceries online and have them loaded right into your car... why not automate that as well? Anyway, we aren't incredibly far from these things being possible. Interesting times, these are.

 

[Coss]

Well, if we look at the end point of the changes.... Yes, I agree, and..and, If a car can deliver itself to you, and most people have become detached from the whole ownership experience as many millennial have, perhaps we don't normally own our own cars anymore.

Let's say you can expect a ride to show with-in 5 minutes of a call, or by schedule. If the ride cost is lower than ownership then why own?

If in combination with buses and fold-up bikes, even downtown you can get to work in a reasonable time, it becomes attractive to not own at all. For buses to be a good partner in all of this, more people need to ride them, which could happen.

But there IS some limits to the 'delivered' paradigm, since the delivery part puts more traffic on the roads, while reducing the parking issues.

My car payment, gas and insurance costs me about $650/mo for a 25 mile (one way) commute. Going to work would have to cost less than $12 bucks each way to be worth it for me to be giving up ownership. If you live closer, then your trade-offs differ a little from that. For a 5 mile commute(less and a bike/walking is attractive), I'd guess around $5-$8 is the break-over. There is less benefit around the 'hands-free time' in a short commute and more for the long drive which should also be considered.

And of course, there may be availability issues at peak usage times. So maybe each family would require one car ownership, just-in-case. Currently most families have 2 or more.

I should note, hurricane evacuation is much more difficult if autonomous rental were the standard model.

Well good in theory, but it doesn't hold true for all areas.
When I was working, I took care of 25 offices all over WA state, and down into OR. Some were close, others were 100's of miles away, and I could get called to any of them over the week. I did streamline the care of these offices by setting all of the equipment so I could remotely access them, and I could work from home. But even then, if I had to go on location, it was a drive. How often did it happen? Sometimes 2 or 4 times a week, and I never knew where I would be called to day to day. So while I may have been an exception to the rule, there are many more that have the same situation.
So no job is typical any longer, and each situation has variances. Such as Dr. appointments, sick kid in school that you have to leave work and go pick them up, and on and on. Plus in the town of 20,000 like I live in, there is no bus service, except for 4 times a day, and it goes from here to the Vancouver Mall (20 miles away), there is no other bus service for the area, and the area is fairly large, surrounding towns have no bus service what so ever.
So situations are different depending on your location.

 

[RUCRAYZE]

I see evidence of the bolded text every day.

During my middle school years I considered the wood and metal shop courses I was required to take a waste of time. I didn't understand that those basic skills would be used daily.

Fast forward to the 21st century. I mentor a high school robotics team. These are not dumb kids and a few of them are highly motivated. However, there are no longer any mandatory shop classes. The majority of them come in as freshman unable to read any measurement tool correctly (or even incorrectly). Forget the power tools. They've never seen them before.

Just recently moved from a tech center -Seattle, I can say with certainty and experience that "bulb changers" have a great future- the kids, among other skills, haven't a clue how to change out a lightbulb!! There was recently in the trash a great looking, almost new vacuum cleaner, I took it home, cleaned the dog hairs off the roller that didn't turn, washed off the filters and bingo!