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[bowers baldwin]

SKS D or M would be best.

Wow, if it weren't for that tiny magazine, id say that looked just like mine!

 

[JEBar]

this link ===> http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm is to what I've found to be an interesting article about recoil/kick .... the opening paragraph provides a pretty good introduction :

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." It can be measured or computed empirically and has been for this recoil table. "

 

[bowers baldwin]

this link is to what I've found to be an interesting article about recoil/kick .... the opening paragraph provides a pretty good introduction :

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." It can be measured or computed empirically and has been for this recoil table. "

I somehow thought my 303 would be worse than that...

 

[Elio Amazed]

this link is to what I've found to be an interesting article about recoil/kick .... the opening paragraph provides a pretty good introduction :

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." It can be measured or computed empirically and has been for this recoil table. "

JEBar...
That's the same page I posted, but your link has got an extra "20%http//" and doesn't work in IE.

 

[Elio Amazed]

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I somehow thought my 303 would be worse than that...

Me too, however when you compare the bullet impact energy of Hornady's 7mm-08 with their 303 British...
The 7mm-08 starts out @285 ft. lb. more than the 303 and that lead increases to being 451 ft. lb. more @ 500 yds.
The 7mm-08 recoils @ only 12.6 as compared to the 303 British @ 14.2

http://www.hornady.com/store/7mm-08-Rem-139-gr-SST-superformance/
http://www.hornady.com/store/303-British-150-gr-SP/

The important thing is that it appears that Hornady is still making a great round for the .303 British.

 

[JEBar]

JEBar...
That's the same page I posted, but your link has got an extra "20%http//" and doesn't work in IE.

I fixed the link to where it works on our computer

 

[bowers baldwin]

This belongs here right?

 

[Elio Amazed]

If one goes by the popular recommendation of...
800 to 1000 ft. lb being the minimum bullet impact energy for white tail....
The 7.62x39 should be a good 150 - 200 yd. brush cartridge.

The 30-30 meets those minimum levels @ 200 - 250 yds.
The 30-06 (and .338 Marlin) meets them out to about 650 - 750 yds.
The Hornady .338 Marlin ballistics mirror their 30-06 cartridge almost exactly.

The 30-06 has a massive 2.44 times the amount of energy that a 7.62x39 does @ 150 yds.
The 30-06 has 2.01 times the energy that the 30-30 does @ 150 yds.

Of course, to split hairs, it depends on the particlular cartridge, gun, barrel length, phase of the moon, etc...
As always, being reasonably certain of a well placed shot is as important as the tool being used.

Just for comparison, the .223 meets those minimums @ 100 to 150 yds.
I was surprised to find that my .35 Remington meets those figures out to 300 to 350 yds.
Now I know why it seems to hit harder and puts 'em down quicker than a 30-30.
To extend the analogy, think of the CZ as an economical and rifle.

The CZ is specifically built for the Russian ammo (bore dia. of .311).
So American brass doesn't do as well from this gun as the Soviet surplus.
Even if you could reload the steel, it's so cheap that it wouldn't be worth the time..

http://gundata.org/blog/post/7.62x39mm-ballistics-chart/
http://gundata.org/blog/post/30-30-ballistics-chart/
http://gundata.org/blog/post/30-06-ballistics-chart/

http://gundata.org/blog/post/223-ballistics-chart/

http://www.hornady.com/store/35-Rem-200-gr-FTX-LEVERevolution/
http://www.hornady.com/store/338-Marlin-Express-200-GR-FTX-LEVERevolution/

Update:
Hornady Leverevolution extends the 30-30's range out to 350 yd.
The 35 Rem and the 30-30 rounds are closely matched @ 200 - 300 yds.
The 30-30 actually beats the .35 Rem round @ 300 yd. by 22 ft. lb.
This round looks like it'll give a brand new life to the old 30-30s.

.35 Remington 200 gr. @ 300 yd = 1003 ft. lb.
30-30 160 gr. @ 300 yd. = 1025 ft. lb.

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-30-Win-160-gr-FTX-LEVERevolution/
http://www.hornady.com/store/35-Rem-200-gr-FTX-LEVERevolution/

$23.99 @ Midway USA

 

[Keith Stone]

Update:
Hornady Leverevolution extends the 30-30's range out to 350 yd.
The 35 Rem and the 30-30 rounds are closely matched @ 200 - 300 yds.
The 30-30 actually beats the .35 Rem round @ 300 yd. by 22 ft. lb.
This round looks like it'll give a brand new life to the old 30-30s.

.35 Remington 200 gr. @ 300 yd = 1003 ft. lb.
30-30 160 gr. @ 300 yd. = 1025 ft. lb.

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-30-Win-160-gr-FTX-LEVERevolution/
http://www.hornady.com/store/35-Rem-200-gr-FTX-LEVERevolution/

$23.99 @ Midway USA

They shoot great out of my model 94 30-30 win I have hand loaded hundreds of these bullets, cabelas makes a scope designed for this bullet with a bdc reticle I have been considering.

 

[BlioKart]

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Wow, if it weren't for that tiny magazine, id say that looked just like mine!

They are cool and I want one but illegal in CA which is dumb. Because you can buy a Saiga(Ak47) 7.62 which is basically the same thing(.