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So... when you go to Cosco, exactly how do you exercise your second amendment right? Seeing as how OPEN carry is currently illegal in PA? There's a provision in the state constitution that rescinds open carry when a state of emergency is declared. Wolf has had several of them in effect since his first week in office. :becky:
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I have a flesh colored pistol. Blends right in.
 
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Elio Amazed said:
So... when you go to Cosco, exactly how do you exercise your second amendment right? Seeing as how OPEN carry is currently illegal in PA? There's a provision in the state constitution that rescinds open carry when a state of emergency is declared. Wolf has had several of them in effect since his first week in office. :becky:
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I took a brown belt in Tae Kuan do. (was three words back then). Little hard to take that away from me. And it is silent carry too.
I know 30+ ways to kill. 5 ways to get out of a strangle hold. If I'm close enough, I have a half second advantage over guns and knives as well as fists. Add 1/4 of a second if the gun is still in a holster. More given they might think white hair is harmless.
First to move is first to live in Somokwon (School of the Pine Tree).
I know two ways to get close enough to kill a gun in hand, when aiming at me, starting at a distance.
(I admit, need a huge reason to try that one, There IS no defense against 'first to shoot AND hit' your target, IF you can hit me.)

But on the other hand, if you own a passive art, Tae Chi in my case. You have 1/4 second advantage over whom ever is first to commit to a move, guns knives sticks, don't care. In all cases when no one fights, sensible people walk away happy.

Interestingly, gun carry laws initially were not as much about self defense, as they were about defense against the tyranny of authority.

Any other comments I can save for the guns thread.
 
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The exception is the rule with this virus. Seems they are doing everything possible to show people can't be trusted to keep things safe.

As soon as they dropped part of the quarantine here in AZ, a number of people completely dropped using their masks and other distancing behaviors. Almost like a teen who suddenly gets out for summer, they gotta act out. They seem to get mad even seeing a mask. I suppose they are actually projecting what they think that I am thinking. OK, they have something there.

Since the coronavirus family (common cold) already has 130 different strains, I wounder how they would like it if Covid19 gets a new strain that is worse for all ages than even the current one. Will they act out in that case too? Self interest is the biggest motivator that Americans believe in.
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"Safe" is about control. One thing you did get correct - self-interest is the biggest motivator for Americans. We believe in freedom. In Arizona, the hospitals are not overcrowded, they are laying off workers. The curve has been flattened for some time. If you aren't over eighty, deathly ill already, morbidly obese, or living in a nursing home, your chance of dying of Covid-19 is infinitesimal. The UV is sunlight kills viruses, but you see people outside wearing masks in the sun.
The original fears had some basis, because the facts weren't known. Now they are available, but there is a lot of suppression. YouTube pulled the video of Dr Erickson & Dr Massihi because the had actual facts and didn't toe the official propaganda line.
We don't get mad seeing people in masks. We understand that you are afraid. We understand that you can't do math, science, statistics, nor do you understand risk. We are sad for the mask wearers, we aren't mad at them.
 
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Here in the DC area I’ve seen (dozens of times, one of which resulted in an accident of innocent drivers) people jump into oncoming traffic to avoid even other masked people on sidewalks! One guy, (I shoulda gotten a video of and try to post, for a minute, on YouTube) was driving his car, wearing a mask and a face shield, windows up, too incidentally!
 
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We understand that you can't do math, science, statistics, nor do you understand risk.
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Actually most people can't do math science or statistics. What they do is have already drawn the conclusion and find the numbers that agrees with it. Then when the numbers that do not, they dismiss them as fake, not correct or bring up some conspiracy to justify their conclusion.

A good example of this is when it comes to investments. People will invest in an idea, product or business and just look at the cherry picked numbers. How many times have we seen a company way, " Studies show that (insert percentage here) of Americans do (insert activity here)." Then people look at that number and run with it without ever looking into the whole study. Typically because finding that study requires you to pay for it or people are lazy and just use that number to justify their decision. For all you know, that number of Americans might be for the 75-80 year old age group that live in retirement communities. Not the 20-50 year old active age group that lives in suburbia (which is what you wanted). If you really want to see cherry picked numbers, go to any Chamber of Commerce in an area. You'd think that their area is growing the fastest and the people there have the most money to spend even though the area looks run down and empty.

Back on investments, when it doesn't turn out right, people justify it by claiming things like "People are dumb" or "(Insert super secret group here) is out to keep away any competition." or "The people there were in charge are crooks." It sounds better than, the market just wasn't there or the technical challenges were more than expected or the management needed more upper level experience. Those mean that you as the investor made a bad decision because you didn't do your homework and used emotion to drive your investment.
 
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Samuel Gompers said:
.... We are sad for the mask wearers, we aren't mad at them.
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Concern would be better than sad. I have an immune system that is highly likely have no problems with the virus. I'm in the 7% group, but likely at the same risk as under 45.

My wife however, if it should reach her. She's gone. Should I care? Before she's actually sick? Should I try, maybe a little?
She depends on me, just like all those others who depend on you. This number is not small. It's around 14 million in the US alone, at current risk rates, with hospitals that are still functional. Considering only the under 45 crowd, around 200,000 people.

Lets assume you are in that age group. Lets assume it's only 20k who might die in your group. Would you join the ranks to save 20k people of your own age group? Too small for ya?

The virus is spreading now in the US at the rate of double every month. Three weeks here in AZ. Indications now are it will speed up until masks are worn and other behaviors corrected.

In 7 months, provided herd immunity has no effect (starts at around 40% of population) we will be totally consumed in the US. A vaccination is maybe available a year later. Wouldn't it be nice if we could slow the spread enough for that to make a difference, at least for some of us? The next month, as people relax a little, will be critical to how things go this summer.

I'm sure we can someday find a virus that will make you more vulnerable than you are now. (Sars was 10%, Mers was 30%)
At that point do you want others to be sad for you, or concerned enough to play it careful? If they play it careless, and then you died, they will just say, oh too bad for him, Darwin Effect!.. Is that adequate in your view?
Fortunately, 99.999% of people have at least some care beyond themselves.

Your death rate, if you are under 45, is around 1% for Covid19. Would you walk to your brother's house at that risk factor level?
If there is a 1% chance of a bear eating you out hiking, will you go? Will you send 100 families in 100 weeks?
Sound's like you might go, and not even bring a mask. And feel sad for any family who missed out on a nice walk.

Maybe you connect with guns. A man shooting his one clip in an AR15, has a 1 in 100 chance of hitting one person in a moving boat at some distance, say 1 km. Feel like boating in that lake today? Feel sad for anyone who didn't go?

If we get no medical help at all (hospitals are overwhelmed), the risk factor can double or triple. Would you consider a mask by then? Better get one, we are on our way now.

If the behavior is to be 'Out of sight is out of mind', someone is dead before it's in mind. Not acceptable.

Here's some self interest for you. Make this work. Otherwise they will quarantine us all again. Want that?
Nope, I feel sorry for everyone not wearing a mask and trying like crazy to ruin themselves.

PS, only need a mask when you are within 'breath/sneeze distance', 6-12 ft of other people. Otherwise, keep it in your pocket.
Spreading Animation, yes, it's just that easy..
https://twitter.com/i/status/1248638871484719104
 
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