Why Design "freeze" Is Important To The Elio Project...

[TexasElio]

My panties, while none of your business, are just fine. The person claims to be some sort of expert. But all I see are opinions, and when people respond, he doesn't continue to support his points. He simply aims in a new direction.

Please understand...I don't consider myself to be an expert on all matters related to Elio Motors...just making observations based on certain "benchmarks" that are common in the automotive industry!

The Elio Vehicle is not all about you...and exclusively for you. The way you evaluate and decide where/when/how to buy a vehicle cannot be imposed on everyone else. Other forum members may appreciate information that could potentially help them in their own reality-based evaluations as they consider thier own personal decision to purchase a Elio Vehicle...

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

I hate to break it you, but this blog site is nothing more than opinions. TexasElio has said that,
1. that there has to be a "design freeze" at some point, which is true and obvious to some. It is harder to hit a constantly moving target.
2. that many of the safety features have yet shown up on the P4.

I am not sure that there is a response other than what has already been written.

The amount of posts one makes doesn't have a direct correlation to the mount of insight one may bring.

just my 2 cents

tisk tisk tisk.

Let us de-construct:
"this blog site is nothing more than opinions"
BZZZT!! INCORRECT!!

There are a surprising large amounts of facts in these forums.
There are opinions on where these facts will take us.
It was a nice attempt to discredit the entire forum, but NO.

"1. that there has to be a "design freeze" at some point, which is true and obvious to some. It is harder to hit a constantly moving target."
This is a cloudy fact backed up by a reference to the delays.

A design freeze does indeed have to happen. You are attempting to put too much emphasis on it. Engineering is also more complicated than putting up arbitrary finish lines.

"2. that many of the safety features have yet shown up on the P4."

They WON'T show up on the P4. You will NOT see them until after the testing.

"I am not sure that there is a response other than what has already been written.
The amount of posts one makes doesn't have a direct correlation to the mount of insight one may bring."

Filler.

 

[jdkeats]

tisk tisk tisk.

Let us de-construct: lets!
"this blog site is nothing more than opinions"
BZZZT!! INCORRECT!!

There are a surprising large amounts of facts in these forums. The facts do not originate in this forum, we just bloviate about them.
There are opinions on where these facts will take us.
It was a nice attempt to discredit the entire forum, but NO. I have made no such attempt to discredit this forum. I wonder how my words are so misconceived?

"1. that there has to be a "design freeze" at some point, which is true and obvious to some. It is harder to hit a constantly moving target."
This is a cloudy fact backed up by a reference to the delays.

A design freeze does indeed have to happen. You are attempting to put too much emphasis on it. Engineering is also more complicated than putting up arbitrary finish lines.

"2. that many of the safety features have yet shown up on the P4." meant to say, "yet to show up on the P4"

They WON'T show up on the P4. You will NOT see them until after the testing.

"I am not sure that there is a response other than what has already been written.
The amount of posts one makes doesn't have a direct correlation to the mount of insight one may bring."

Filler.

 

[Rickb]

I'm speculating that 99% of the members on this forum have already made up their minds. The tough questions were answered before making a refundable or non-refundable pre-order deposit...........now it's a matter of wait.

 

[JEBar]

At some point there will have to be a "design freeze"...

agree with a major reservation .... that point will come when EM (more specifically Paul Elio) says it will come .... the choice of that time will be made on terms that best suit EM .... EM is nontraditional in its product, its organization, its financing, its corporate structure and so-on .... as such, the schedule they follow may or may note follow the mold .... I doubt anyone outside of the EM management team knows what is being done and when its being done .... any info coming from anyone outside of that team is pure speculation .... I'm not a rabid Elio loyalists but I do believe that on things like this there isn't anything to be accomplished by speculation, rather I'm happy to let them do their jobs .... time will tell if they are doing it well

Jim

 

[NSTG8R]

... let them do their jobs .... time will tell if they are doing it well

Jim

Says it all right there.

 

[skygazer6033]

Engineers love the design freeze. Means their job is done. In the original Learjet 23 Bill Lear would drive his engineering team crazy by making changes in the design after production was underway. (Nothing serious enough to affect the Type Certificate). Relocating switches, moving the hatshelf or cup holders. Just enough to keep the engineers on their toes. Also meant that if you needed a part for aircraft serial #00094 the part for #00093 or #00095 might or might not work.

 

[RUCRAYZE]

The next build will be the EP5........the first engineering prototype that will be used for tooling up the plant. The EP5's to follow will be used for testing and the planned Ride & Drive Events. I don't expect the EP5 build will happen before the engine has passed it's final testing phase and ready to install. Then again it could be ready and waiting for the engine. I suspect there will be a final VP6, the validation prototype before production begins. The EM process is following industry standards for new vehicle development & production. No sense stirring up non-issues just for 'entertainment value'. Most everybody on the forum is here to be entertained and share some positive thoughts and experiences regarding a concept vehicle most have a vested interest in.

The first production Elio, whenever that may be, will no doubt be Paul Elio's as he stands watching it being built, rolling off the assembly line, getting in, closing the door, and driving it back to his hotel in Elioville (Shreveport) glancing periodically at the Elgin Dash with a smile on his face. Tough question of the day: What if it doesn't start? Answer: Paul is going to be pissed.

IF Paul were to play it right, the first should go to Jay Leno

 

[TexasElio]

Show me anywhere that there is a "manufacturing deadline". Haven't seen it on any of Elios pages...have seen manufacturing date goals which is different than a deadline. I hope there are not any delays but I also would not want the vehicle release before problems with engineering, safety etc. were addressed.

Yes...Elio Motors has publicly announced approximate production time frames...

Mr. Elio first indicated production would commence in 2013...than production of the Elio Vehicle was revised to start in 2014...this was updated by Mr Elio to currently be the 4th quarter of 2015...

You're certainly correct that engineering...safety...etc...need to be properly addressed...but if there are further delays...the buying public (and many of the current deposit holders) will possibly lose faith in Elio's abilities to actually bring a vehicle to market...this could have a ripple effect of drying up necessary public & private funding for this project...

To be a successful manufacturing company...you have to be able to execute within a reasonable time frame...and meet promised deadlines...

 

[skygazer6033]

I don't recall seeing any "promised deadlines". Goals yes, promises no. I believe most people have some idea of how much of an endeavor this is and realize that since the Elio is not assembled with Zippers it's going to take a while. Especially when you consider their shoestring budget.