Paul Elio Responds To Critics, Ttac, 10-20-2014

[Charlie G]

Noticed Paul didn't mention government loan to move forward but he was in DC! Could this be a sign, of good things to come? I know, I know, speculating again! Great to see someone other than us Eiloites, wasn't happy with the article by the troll and posted the truth!

I thought it was particularly strange that he didn't seem to be aware Elio has applied for an ATVM loan already: "I’m guessing that Elio Motors may apply for an ATVM loan."

 

[harlan stephens]

Pretty much need them 25 prototypes out there running and meeting defined specs.

was well as the ability to start up and sell it with out gov. Support.
Then uncle sam will lend support.
Imho.

 

[Jeff Porter]

Tavarish's Jalopnik article basically refuted point by point.

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2014/10/paul-elio-responds-skeptics/#more-932193

Before I read it, .... this ought to be good!

 

[Jeff Porter]

Thanks, this was what we needed to see. A fairly written article featuring Paul Elio directly responding to the previous terrible Jalopnik article which was full of inaccuracies.

This bit of news particularly caught my attention:


This information fits with what we had been hearing that the engine had already been assembled but we now know it was for a dry run. This timeline also fits some rumors we had been hearing that the completed engine may make an appearance at the SEMA show the first week of November and hopefully that will happen also.

Indeed. This puts a pretty firm timeline on things, in that it gives us a rough idea of dates and what might be accomplished by those dates. Good STUFF.

A part that really got my attention:

"I’d like to point out that with today’s digital tools, engine design is not as hit or miss (no pun intended) as it once was. The use of modeling and simulation software means that if it works in the digital domain it will almost certainly work when made out of metal. Ecomotors, the engine startup (again, no pun intended), has skipped actually building some generations of the prototype design because it was a waste of time just to make sure they worked."​

I've read literally a hundred posts on Facebook by folks, asking things like "how can Elio say 84 mpg when the engine isn't built yet?" and "how can they claim a safety rating if the car isn't built yet?". Well, the answer is above. And that answer has always seemed rather evident to me, but then I was in software development for 20 years so it wasn't much of a leap.

Plus, a statement like the above helps to satisfy fears about quality, "... I don't want one of the first several hundred vehicles so they can work the kinks out." Software helps us humans to be more efficient, especially in the area of predicting what will happen and why it will happen. JMO.

 

[Jeff Porter]

I thought it was particularly strange that he didn't seem to be aware Elio has applied for an ATVM loan already: "I’m guessing that Elio Motors may apply for an ATVM loan."

Yes, sort of a shock to those of us that know EM has applied. :-) And if funding is as important as it is, that Ronnie Schreiber would have checked on that. Overall though, very fair and well-written article.

 

[wesley]

I'm just happy that by November 15, an engine should be on the dyno and be getting a good thrashing

 

[Kuda]

Snipped: This information fits with what we had been hearing that the engine had already been assembled but we now know it was for a dry run. This timeline also fits some rumors we had been hearing that the completed engine may make an appearance at the SEMA show the first week of November and hopefully that will happen also.

 

[harlan stephens]

Software is very helpful. And I have seen expert's with software make huge blunders as well.
Software is only as good as the knowledge and data that is entered.
I have watched expert's with software make a ship ....the model sank..lol
After the kinks were worked out the ship could not do its mission. A noaa fisheries vessle....becuse the missing data from there plan...
They never talked to a fisherman. and the nets would not work as planned.
Slight oversight ..cost big bucks.
Few million later they got it worked out.
Not a good plan for the tax payer.
Nothing will test a motor better than the road. Bad gas. Traffic. Ect...
I am glad to see that a spin test has been done.
Fire it up guys...

 

[Jeff Porter]

Software is very helpful. And I have seen expert's with software make huge blunders as well.
Software is only as good as the knowledge and data that is entered.
I have watched expert's with software make a ship ....the model sank..lol
After the kinks were worked out the ship could not do its mission. A noaa fisheries vessle....becuse the missing data from there plan...
They never talked to a fisherman. and the nets would not work as planned.
Slight oversight ..cost big bucks.
Few million later they got it worked out.
Not a good plan for the tax payer.
Nothing will test a motor better than the road. Bad gas. Traffic. Ect...
I am glad to see that a spin test has been done.
Fire it up guys...

I hear ya Harlan, I myself wrote software that was less-than-perfect. Just because humans use software, it doesn't guarantee success. Those dang computers, they only do what we tell them to do. :-) And agreed that nothing will test the engine better than running an actual engine.

Was it a mistake for Ecomotors to skip building some generations of the prototype? We can argue on the theory. Some folks will say they are cutting dangerous corners. Others will say if it's deemed a waste of time, there must have been evidence to say the risk is extremely low to not build that generation of prototype for that engine part.

 

[harlan stephens]

Time will tell, mr jeff.
And I am sure due to the programers work and cad software, they stand a much better chance at getting it right the first time.

Just hope "experts" talked to "fisherman"
:-D