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Debbie Bruce

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Ty said:
Sigh... for an Elio supporter, it's hard to understand your continuing posts. Is it SO important to you to wreck others' hopes? BTW, putting a metro engine and transmission in a vehicle hardly makes it a "made over Geo" any more than putting a Mustang motor in a Geo makes it a "made over Mustang"... You also forgot to mention the Green Elio... 400 sq feet is 20'X20' ... and their facility is WAY bigger than that. 5,000 $1,000 deposits is only $5,000,000. Paul Elio is much to successful to waste time earning, what would essentially be $625,000 a year that he'd have to share out with the others working with him. "Every accounting person who has looked..." BS... Only the vocal ones who are against (even passive aggressively) Elio have spoken out.
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Ok the Geo warm over,, Geo motor, Geo transmission. Geo dash and even Geo seats were in the p4.. the 400 sq feet is what my uncle said looked like the area where they were washing the red geo body, he figured that by observing one overhead door and the next being about 20 ft away for another company. Paul Elio is an engineer with ties to a factory in China.Not the Rich person you assume , not poor but you won't find him on any forbes list.
 
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As someone who has his money down, but who has been only a light participant in the forums, let me say that I'm pretty appalled at the personal attacks toward Debbie. Debbie entered the forum laying out her concerns. She may not have expressed them in a way you enjoyed, and you can certainly take that as negative attitude, but it's not a personal attack. Post after post in reply including terms like "shut your pie hole" certainly doesn't give me a very good view of the folks on the other side of the argument and their ability to discuss the Elio in a reasoned and reasonable manner. Not everyone who disagrees with you is automatically a troll.

Personally, I have my "all in" funds all in, and I still hope to get my Elio (white, with blue trim by the time I'm done with it), but I certainly recognize there are reasons to be concerned. The announced delays, the lack of tangible progress both at the factory and in producing additional prototypes, the continued focus on items such as partnerships and surveys and board members that don't represent a significant (or any) outlay of capital. Much as I want it to happen, I don't see the signs that make me think "Yes, Elio is making the investments that will lead to production." Instead, as I think Paul's letter clearly indicates, they are still in the searching for investment phase of the project. Still hoping that someone will provide the bucks for their Buck Rogers.

Having had a two-digit reservation number for an Aptera, I feel like I've been through this before. In that case, I watched what seemed like a promising vehicle from a "maverick engineer" turn into an ever longer series of delays and false starts as the Aptera morphed from "cheap and quirky statement vehicle for a few early adopters" to a "not-cheap and still quirky vehicle in search of a larger audience." Aptera ran through rather a good pile of development capital in the pursuit of the later, while a lot of us that had signed on in the early days begged from the sidelines "just give us what we signed up for, we don't care if it has power windows and faux-leather seats..." and watched it slip away.

Right now, the most valuable property that Elio has is simply the number of folks that have signed up for a vehicle. I don't think they've gone too far down the Aptera road to recover. However, I think that if they don't soon start showing evidence that production is on the way, their credibility will slip so far down the slope that the Elio will join Aptera (and a dozen other three-wheeled concepts) in the might-have-been dustbin.

And hey Paul! I don't care if it has power windows. I don't care if it has leather seats. It doesn't have to look like it came off the lines at Audi. Just get something on the road. You can make it perfect when you get to the "Model S."

(now I'll step over to the side and wait for my "Troll" forehead stamp)
 
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Right now, in the next 30 days, all I ask from EM is a P5 with the IAV motor and a AMT transmission. I will understand with all the delays and cost going up, there might be an additional 10% added on the final price at the showroom/store. Which would mean, about $9500.+ for my Elio with auto, a/c, cruise and tinted glass..
 
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Devilstower said:
As someone who has his money down, but who has been only a light participant in the forums, let me say that I'm pretty appalled at the personal attacks toward Debbie. Debbie entered the forum laying out her concerns. She may not have expressed them in a way you enjoyed, and you can certainly take that as negative attitude, but it's not a personal attack. Post after post in reply including terms like "shut your pie hole" certainly doesn't give me a very good view of the folks on the other side of the argument and their ability to discuss the Elio in a reasoned and reasonable manner. Not everyone who disagrees with you is automatically a troll.

Personally, I have my "all in" funds all in, and I still hope to get my Elio (white, with blue trim by the time I'm done with it), but I certainly recognize there are reasons to be concerned. The announced delays, the lack of tangible progress both at the factory and in producing additional prototypes, the continued focus on items such as partnerships and surveys and board members that don't represent a significant (or any) outlay of capital. Much as I want it to happen, I don't see the signs that make me think "Yes, Elio is making the investments that will lead to production." Instead, as I think Paul's letter clearly indicates, they are still in the searching for investment phase of the project. Still hoping that someone will provide the bucks for their Buck Rogers.

Having had a two-digit reservation number for an Aptera, I feel like I've been through this before. In that case, I watched what seemed like a promising vehicle from a "maverick engineer" turn into an ever longer series of delays and false starts as the Aptera morphed from "cheap and quirky statement vehicle for a few early adopters" to a "not-cheap and still quirky vehicle in search of a larger audience." Aptera ran through rather a good pile of development capital in the pursuit of the later, while a lot of us that had signed on in the early days begged from the sidelines "just give us what we signed up for, we don't care if it has power windows and faux-leather seats..." and watched it slip away.

Right now, the most valuable property that Elio has is simply the number of folks that have signed up for a vehicle. I don't think they've gone too far down the Aptera road to recover. However, I think that if they don't soon start showing evidence that production is on the way, their credibility will slip so far down the slope that the Elio will join Aptera (and a dozen other three-wheeled concepts) in the might-have-been dustbin.

And hey Paul! I don't care if it has power windows. I don't care if it has leather seats. It doesn't have to look like it came off the lines at Audi. Just get something on the road. You can make it perfect when you get to the "Model S."

(now I'll step over to the side and wait for my "Troll" forehead stamp)
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Definately not a troll tag for you. Everyone has the right to have concerns. It was the tone and saying we were being scammed with no proof that get everyone's ire up. That and that her "uncle" made a lot of enemies here
 
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Debbie Bruce

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RogWild said:
Still 'waiting' for some PHOTO evidence; not sure what a 'red geo body' has to do with Elio Motors.
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I told you he did not take pictures, he did not take any when he went to see the Elio in OKC, there is a red, blue and a white one on Elio's web page but they are probably photo shopped.. What is it you are accussing me or him off. If I said geo body it was a mistake I 'm sure I said red Elio, but who knows I could have errored .
 
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RogWild said:
Still 'waiting' for some PHOTO evidence; not sure what a 'red geo body' has to do with Elio Motors.
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Here is what I orignally posted..Nothing about a red Geo. My uncle is in Detroit this week. He happened to go buy where Elios are being slapped together (his words). Anyway he said he drove down an alley close to the workshop and was able to see about 20 different discarded Elio model work ups. He said there were 6 or 7 different versions, one had the fenders connected to the body and looked like an indy car from the 60's. He noticed a bright red one being polished, according to him it looked like it may be a new prototype because they were buffing and waxing it. My uncle also said the place looked like a junk yard in the rear fenced in area .
 
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