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Jeff Miller said:
The elgin dash was definitely quirky and I think befitting of such a unique vehicle. The bulge was a unique artifact of having to meet engineering issues and to me reflects the true beauty that lies in balancing form and function. Luckily the elio still has the unique 3 wheels and tandem seating but as attractive as those are to me they are things that much of the buying public has not yet fully embraced.

Some very vocal people have voiced their displeasure with these quirky issues and that is fine; the reality is that engineering issues changed so that the bulge can disappear and likely costs have caused the elgin to go the way of the dodo. When we look at the E1C what we see is a "normal" instrument cluster and normalized outside; in essence, the elio is moving more mainstream.

What I fear is that as the elio moves more mainstream that people will continue to compare it to vehicles that cost 3x or more than the elio. As the elio normalizes, price, followed by milage remain the most significant differentiators. So what does that mean in the long run?

Well, we know that EM sucked it up and put cruise control in as a standard option but that is also likely part of why the price went up. Watch the comments of frackbook, and even here, and you will see many comments about how the elio MUST HAVE feature XYZ but dang it don't you dare increase the price or delay delivery.

So the reality is that as a quirky vehicle the elio has less direct competition. As the elio loses its quirkiness and becomes more mainstream it starts to have more head on competition. If in order to compete EM has to add additional standard features, or simply make features available as options, the elio will eventually cost what it's 4 wheel competitors cost. The elio still edges out the competition mileage wise but gas continues to be cheap and for not too little additional gas costs the owner can seat more people than they would in the elio.
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Hmm food for thought; I want to read it in a different light.
 
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Jeff Miller said:
The elgin dash was definitely quirky and I think befitting of such a unique vehicle. The bulge was a unique artifact of having to meet engineering issues and to me reflects the true beauty that lies in balancing form and function. Luckily the elio still has the unique 3 wheels and tandem seating but as attractive as those are to me they are things that much of the buying public has not yet fully embraced.

Some very vocal people have voiced their displeasure with these quirky issues and that is fine; the reality is that engineering issues changed so that the bulge can disappear and likely costs have caused the elgin to go the way of the dodo. When we look at the E1C what we see is a "normal" instrument cluster and normalized outside; in essence, the elio is moving more mainstream.

What I fear is that as the elio moves more mainstream that people will continue to compare it to vehicles that cost 3x or more than the elio. As the elio normalizes, price, followed by milage remain the most significant differentiators. So what does that mean in the long run?

Well, we know that EM sucked it up and put cruise control in as a standard option but that is also likely part of why the price went up. Watch the comments of frackbook, and even here, and you will see many comments about how the elio MUST HAVE feature XYZ but dang it don't you dare increase the price or delay delivery.

So the reality is that as a quirky vehicle the elio has less direct competition. As the elio loses its quirkiness and becomes more mainstream it starts to have more head on competition. If in order to compete EM has to add additional standard features, or simply make features available as options, the elio will eventually cost what it's 4 wheel competitors cost. The elio still edges out the competition mileage wise but gas continues to be cheap and for not too little additional gas costs the owner can seat more people than they would in the elio.
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Thank you
hopefully you won't be attacked for stating this.
 
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Jeff Miller said:
The elgin dash was definitely quirky and I think befitting of such a unique vehicle. The bulge was a unique artifact of having to meet engineering issues and to me reflects the true beauty that lies in balancing form and function. Luckily the elio still has the unique 3 wheels and tandem seating but as attractive as those are to me they are things that much of the buying public has not yet fully embraced.

Some very vocal people have voiced their displeasure with these quirky issues and that is fine; the reality is that engineering issues changed so that the bulge can disappear and likely costs have caused the elgin to go the way of the dodo. When we look at the E1C what we see is a "normal" instrument cluster and normalized outside; in essence, the elio is moving more mainstream.

What I fear is that as the elio moves more mainstream that people will continue to compare it to vehicles that cost 3x or more than the elio. As the elio normalizes, price, followed by milage remain the most significant differentiators. So what does that mean in the long run?

Well, we know that EM sucked it up and put cruise control in as a standard option but that is also likely part of why the price went up. Watch the comments of frackbook, and even here, and you will see many comments about how the elio MUST HAVE feature XYZ but dang it don't you dare increase the price or delay delivery.

So the reality is that as a quirky vehicle the elio has less direct competition. As the elio loses its quirkiness and becomes more mainstream it starts to have more head on competition. If in order to compete EM has to add additional standard features, or simply make features available as options, the elio will eventually cost what it's 4 wheel competitors cost. The elio still edges out the competition mileage wise but gas continues to be cheap and for not too little additional gas costs the owner can seat more people than they would in the elio.
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I don't attack, I just disagree. ;)

A number of people on this board have seen the Elgin dash first hand and have commented on how difficult it was to see the numbers, which I can only imagine how much harder it would be if you were driving the car.

I don't care one way or another about the bulge. If it goes away, the car looks more sleek, if it stays, it is an interesting design.

If people want to compare the Elio with something that is 3x as much, that would be like comparing a Chevy Malibu and a Chevy Corvette. Both get you to your destination, but one is a lot nicer than the other one.

I'm not sure how long you've been paying attention to the Elio, but it isn't supposed to have competition, this has always been an "and" car. For me, whether I find a job that is 10 mi away from my home, or stay at my current job that is 70 mi away, the Elio is still going to be cheaper to run than the 2012 Focus I have. How many people do you see driving to work that have more than 1 person in the car? I can't recall very many times I've seen this.
 
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booboo said:
"How many people do you see driving to work that have more than 1 person in the car?"
Well, that depends on how 1 defines person.
http://twentytwowords.com/15-hilari...busted-carpool-lane-cheaters-fake-passengers/
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Can't help myself, so I'll say one more time....65K Elios
in the HOV lanes of America is better than any advertising
I can think of!!!!!!! o/\o
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Karnaj said:
I certainly hope so. Being an electrician, I enjoy the benefits of LED.
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Not an electrician myself, but have sold industrial electrical for over 15 years, I've been to many lighting classes, and would like to know what you think of LED driver failures? Working in the field, you should be seeing some of that now. Actually, lighting reps. are starting to push thier "one size fits all, for all fixture types and voltages" replacment drivers for all types of fixtures now. Personally, I would rather have incandescent or halogen lamps when a power bill is not a factor. On a vehichle that produces it's own power. why would you you want more electronic parts that would be more costly, and harder to change? Really, just more parts that can/will fail. For those that aren't in this industry, an LED driver in KISS terms does basically the same thing a flourescent ballast does, only for LEDs. Hate to be the bearer of bad news, but those LED lamps you're buying that are advertised to last for decades......won't. Sure, the LEDs will, but the electronic driver won't. look for about 5-7 years of service.
 
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Coss said:
Chill Joeker it was not said to discredit you or Jermain; If you noticed what I said after "....just to drive us crazy.."
Which side of the vehicle has been a topic for discussion since the day this board started and has gotten to the point that any talk about it is in fun, just like the color we do not discuss because y (the color that rhymes with mellow) has been gone over so many times.
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I did not take offense to it trust me my personality does not allow me. Life is too short to worry about that. Just sharing with you guys things I found out. Cheers!!
 
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