1/5/2015 Klsa News - Potential Elio Customers Left With Mixed Reactions After Delayed Production Dat

[JEBar]

You can have different opinions, its allowed. I find it hard to believe that you can't see what EM has done to keep the investors and reservation numbers growing. The production date has always been within a 12-18 month timeframe, a timeframe that is not too long to wait. If it were years out (like it really was at the beginning) then people would hesitate to plop down a $1,000 reservation and investors would not invest. There WILL be another delay and it WILL have a 12-18 month window. Like I tell some people, "Its easier for me to show you then to try and explain it to you". EM will demonstrate this shortly.

in thinking about it, I do believe that EM has every intention of opening the assembly line sometime this year .... I believe that this is based on their assessment of the host of factors that remain to be taken care of and the funding to accomplish it .... I've read of past, significant, delays that resulted from factors out of their control and I can't really blame them for those .... examples : trying to locate a factory in Detroit and the lawsuit in Louisiana .... as always, it would seem that funding is critical so the outcome of the federal loan application is very important .... if the loan comes through within the next few months, I do believe that EM has a plan which will get them to production this year .... if the loan is denied, I can see another delay while they arrange the private funding .... Paul has stated that such alternative funding could/would be arranged .... such a delay would be another that is beyond EM's control .... if there is such a delay, I just don't see that the sky if falling

 

[Gas-Powered Awesome]

The engine is broken and there's no money to fix it AND produce cars.

[citation needed]

 

[CompTrex]

[citation needed]

Stop it Gas Powered, he's Captain Obvious, remember? Duh!

 

[JEBar]

Ahem, I hate to be captain obvious, but Dyno testing an engine does NOT take 6 months. That was a pure lie for the naive.

The engine is broken and there's no money to fix it AND produce cars.

[citation needed]

where did you get your info .... wild guess or from an informed source .... below is info that has been posted several times in various threads .... its source is named and details as to the nature of the testing are given :

during a conversation earlier today with Jerome Vassallo, VP of Sales at the Elio exhibit on 12-6-14 in Charlotte, NC I learned a great deal about the extensive nature of the testing that the IAV Elio engine is undergoing .... from beginning mid November, the process will take several months .... as a loose outline of the process, after it was first assembled, spun tested, disassembled, measured, and reassembled, they pressure it with air and check for leaks .... after each of these steps it will be disassembled sufficiently to X-ray the components and meticulously take measurements .... next they move to installing fluids, testing, disassemble to X-ray and take measurements .... next the motor will be fired and the whole process is repeated .... as a side note, at times the motor will be connected to two computers .... one will show the computer projections and one will show the actual performance .... the motor will be subjected to a range of test on the dyno that are needed to determine how it will perform in simulations of city driving, long interstate cruises, wide open throttle .... after completing all of that testing they will eventually begin removing oil to the point the engine will fail .... this motor will never see service in an Elio .... reports will come when they come but for folks wanting frequent updates, it ain't gonna happen .... Paul Elio is actively working/monitoring the entire process

if you have more current info from a credible source, I'd really appreciate you posting that source .... if you can give credible info as to how the above isn't accurate, posting that would also be appreciated

 

[RMClubfitter]

While being able to see things from a different angle can be stimulating, those who aggressively pound the same idea on others usually alienate themselves from others. Always incessantly pounding on the opposite position that others take, can infuriate some. Those who engage in this behavior sometimes are very creative but there are those who are simply disagreeable and there are those who get their self-esteem from being contrary. We think that arguing back and defending our position is leading to a good outcome for ourselves, but that is usually not the case. Usually all a contrarian wants is attention or attention for their position. Even if you resolve issue A, issue B will follow and then C and D. You have to ask yourself if it is more about the process than about resolving an issue. The way to extinguish their behavior, if you can’t live with it, is by ignoring it rather than reinforcing it. (Others have said the same in different ways) JMHO

Our Mods (and lots of you) do a fantastic job making sure disinformation stays in check. That is what is important. Thanks

 

[Jeff Porter]

You can have different opinions, its allowed. I find it hard to believe that you can't see what EM has done to keep the investors and reservation numbers growing. The production date has always been within a 12-18 month timeframe, a timeframe that is not too long to wait. If it were years out (like it really was at the beginning) then people would hesitate to plop down a $1,000 reservation and investors would not invest. There WILL be another delay and it WILL have a 12-18 month window. Like I tell some people, "Its easier for me to show you then to try and explain it to you". EM will demonstrate this shortly.

Call it negative, call it what you will but its my honest opinion of what has been going on. If this offends you then get over it and move on to another post. I AM a supporter but I'm also wise enough to know shit from shinola. How can EM have a target date when even they don't know how long the DOE will take to approve or deny the loan? The ONLY way EM can give an accurate date is to have ALL the funding they need in place. Until then its just speculation. If you can't see that then keep wearing your EM tin foil hats and beleiving everything EM feeds you.

Like I said, I'm a supporter and want an Elio just like everyone else, I just know BS when I smell it.

I get where you are coming from, understand your position and opinion.

For the all-electric vehicles such as the Nissan Leaf, back in 2009 and 10, it was pretty much a standing 2-years-away sort of promise from the car makers. And poof, eventually the car is being made and sold. Did they lie? Did they break a promise? You could make a case either way.

For the Elio, the production date has not always been a 12-18 month timeframe. In fact, it was around April 2014 when the announcement was made, for production to be targeted for 3Q 2015. If you go April 14 to Sept 15, that is 17 months. So agreed, that is in the 12-18 month timeframe. We are in January 15 now, and that is a 9 month timeframe. We've been inside the 12 month timeframe for... 3 months.

Is it possible that a delay will be announced in a week or two? Yep, it's very possible. Am I offended at the possibility of another delay? Nope. Will I spend personal time worrying about Elio Motors dispensing B.S.? Nope.

 

[Jeff Porter]

The truth would be nice.

LOL. What is "truth"?

 

[CompTrex]

LOL. What is "truth"?

Oooo!! I know! I know! Pick ME!

 

[Jeff Porter]

Oooo!! I know! I know! Pick ME!

C.T., I pick you! What is truth? I have an idea, but you can explain it better than me.

 

[CompTrex]

C.T., I pick you! What is truth? I have an idea, but you can explain it better than me.

Ah Jeff. You're baiting me, and you're gonna get me censored by the mods! Let's suffice to say, truth is whatever the Creator of our universe designed it to be. Truth is our race has failed to maintain an acceptable relationship with Him so He has cast us away from His presence for eternity. Truth is, in order to restore that relationship, He sent the only Person that didn't break relations with Him to take the blame for us, all we've got to do is accept it.
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