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Interesting Concept This Elio - All In From San Diego

tonyspumoni

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There are of course any number of reasons to favor the concept of an American-built vehicle that offers exceptional efficiency, low cost, standard amenities, and a modicum of safety. It has been interesting to read accounts of those waiting for this vehicle and favoring one or more of these justifications. I grew up at the very low end of middle class and can clearly recall what food stamps looked like in the 70's. I did a stint in the service and then put myself through college. Money is no longer an issue for me and, since I run professionally and personally at the upper end of what I think is middle class, I had forgotten how tough it is to be there, though of course I well know that prosperity has largely skipped the many in favor of the few. So it has been somewhat of a reconnection with old familiarity to realize how very attractive the prospective is of being able to buy a new vehicle for those far less fortunate than me. For this alone the concept should be applauded and for this alone, should the Elio come to pass, Paul should be nominated for the Nobel in Economics. Sounds crazy, but why should a bunch of theorists win every year (I'm a PhD holder myself) who spin tales of fantasy such as the 'Efficient Market Theory' which, in particular, has done more to damage all of our finances more than any other philosophical proposition and for which its proponents should be hung by the longest yardarm.

What attracted me to the Elio is the prospects for doing something near the end of my life to make up for my heretofore spotty ecological record. I can be forgiven for driving hot, inefficient cars in my youth, but that was before words like 'carbon footprint', 'greenhouse gasses', and 'global warming' were even invented. Fully cognizant of my guilt, I first downsized to small cars, then went through series of Priuses, then two BMW diesels, and then finally gave up and now drive a Subaru. The Elio, more than anything currently available or on the drawing board, offers the chance to really un-do my gas guzzling and polluting blot. Their isn't enough available lithium on the planet to power a large fleet of battery vehicles and lithium is toxic as hell (there is currently no waste dump for lithium in the U.S. - it goes to Canada unless I'm misinformed). Diesel offers efficiency but much of this is a lie. Diesel gives more mpg, but each gallon of diesel also produces 14% more CO2 according to the EPA than a gallon of petrol, e.g. your diesel needs to be MORE than 14% more efficient to effect anything other than your wallet.

If the Elio comes to pass, I will use it to commute and keep my WRX for weekend thrill seeking. I will produce less CO2 and, while driving, I will endeavor to thrash the shit out of my Elio to demonstrate the ability to wring efficiency out of a technology fully capable of offering the same applied performance of other commuting platforms. And if I can find a way to put a ski rack on it, so much the better.
 

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There are of course any number of reasons to favor the concept of an American-built vehicle that offers exceptional efficiency, low cost, standard amenities, and a modicum of safety. It has been interesting to read accounts of those waiting for this vehicle and favoring one or more of these justifications. I grew up at the very low end of middle class and can clearly recall what food stamps looked like in the 70's. I did a stint in the service and then put myself through college. Money is no longer an issue for me and, since I run professionally and personally at the upper end of what I think is middle class, I had forgotten how tough it is to be there, though of course I well know that prosperity has largely skipped the many in favor of the few. So it has been somewhat of a reconnection with old familiarity to realize how very attractive the prospective is of being able to buy a new vehicle for those far less fortunate than me. For this alone the concept should be applauded and for this alone, should the Elio come to pass, Paul should be nominated for the Nobel in Economics. Sounds crazy, but why should a bunch of theorists win every year (I'm a PhD holder myself) who spin tales of fantasy such as the 'Efficient Market Theory' which, in particular, has done more to damage all of our finances more than any other philosophical proposition and for which its proponents should be hung by the longest yardarm.

What attracted me to the Elio is the prospects for doing something near the end of my life to make up for my heretofore spotty ecological record. I can be forgiven for driving hot, inefficient cars in my youth, but that was before words like 'carbon footprint', 'greenhouse gasses', and 'global warming' were even invented. Fully cognizant of my guilt, I first downsized to small cars, then went through series of Priuses, then two BMW diesels, and then finally gave up and now drive a Subaru. The Elio, more than anything currently available or on the drawing board, offers the chance to really un-do my gas guzzling and polluting blot. Their isn't enough available lithium on the planet to power a large fleet of battery vehicles and lithium is toxic as hell (there is currently no waste dump for lithium in the U.S. - it goes to Canada unless I'm misinformed). Diesel offers efficiency but much of this is a lie. Diesel gives more mpg, but each gallon of diesel also produces 14% more CO2 according to the EPA than a gallon of petrol, e.g. your diesel needs to be MORE than 14% more efficient to effect anything other than your wallet.

If the Elio comes to pass, I will use it to commute and keep my WRX for weekend thrill seeking. I will produce less CO2 and, while driving, I will endeavor to thrash the shit out of my Elio to demonstrate the ability to wring efficiency out of a technology fully capable of offering the same applied performance of other commuting platforms. And if I can find a way to put a ski rack on it, so much the better.
Nice, in depth read tony! WELCOME to our ever so humble Elio Family Forum. And THANKS for helping us keep this dream alive, and vibrant!

We are all counting on this one day spilling out into the streets of main stream America in the form of "Bright, New Elio's."

Maybe we'll see you at one of the planned rallies?
 

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There are of course any number of reasons to favor the concept of an American-built vehicle that offers exceptional efficiency, low cost, standard amenities, and a modicum of safety. It has been interesting to read accounts of those waiting for this vehicle and favoring one or more of these justifications. I grew up at the very low end of middle class and can clearly recall what food stamps looked like in the 70's. I did a stint in the service and then put myself through college. Money is no longer an issue for me and, since I run professionally and personally at the upper end of what I think is middle class, I had forgotten how tough it is to be there, though of course I well know that prosperity has largely skipped the many in favor of the few. So it has been somewhat of a reconnection with old familiarity to realize how very attractive the prospective is of being able to buy a new vehicle for those far less fortunate than me. For this alone the concept should be applauded and for this alone, should the Elio come to pass, Paul should be nominated for the Nobel in Economics. Sounds crazy, but why should a bunch of theorists win every year (I'm a PhD holder myself) who spin tales of fantasy such as the 'Efficient Market Theory' which, in particular, has done more to damage all of our finances more than any other philosophical proposition and for which its proponents should be hung by the longest yardarm.

What attracted me to the Elio is the prospects for doing something near the end of my life to make up for my heretofore spotty ecological record. I can be forgiven for driving hot, inefficient cars in my youth, but that was before words like 'carbon footprint', 'greenhouse gasses', and 'global warming' were even invented. Fully cognizant of my guilt, I first downsized to small cars, then went through series of Priuses, then two BMW diesels, and then finally gave up and now drive a Subaru. The Elio, more than anything currently available or on the drawing board, offers the chance to really un-do my gas guzzling and polluting blot. Their isn't enough available lithium on the planet to power a large fleet of battery vehicles and lithium is toxic as hell (there is currently no waste dump for lithium in the U.S. - it goes to Canada unless I'm misinformed). Diesel offers efficiency but much of this is a lie. Diesel gives more mpg, but each gallon of diesel also produces 14% more CO2 according to the EPA than a gallon of petrol, e.g. your diesel needs to be MORE than 14% more efficient to effect anything other than your wallet.

If the Elio comes to pass, I will use it to commute and keep my WRX for weekend thrill seeking. I will produce less CO2 and, while driving, I will endeavor to thrash the shit out of my Elio to demonstrate the ability to wring efficiency out of a technology fully capable of offering the same applied performance of other commuting platforms. And if I can find a way to put a ski rack on it, so much the better.
Hi and welcome from Oregon, tonyspumoni. Congratulations on your reservation and number. We have a Reservation Map & Survey where you can add your information and get a marker on our map for you and your Elio. It is a fun way for us to see where our fellow Elioites will be keeping and driving their Elios. There is also a Military Thread you can read and add to as well as a Hobby Thread. This is a very diverse and knowledgeable group who are usually friendly and helpful. If you have questions you can use the Search function. If that doesn't get you what you need simply ask. Someone will either know the answer or will know someone who will know the answer. I hope this site will give you as much pleasure as it does me. The Elio P3 and P4 are scheduled to be at the Miramar Air Show next weekend, if you are interested. I will try to get more detailed information and add it to the Events forum during the week. See you next year as we drive our new Elios. :) Z
 

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Yup. Filled out the survey about two hours ago. And yes - I have noted the great deal of knowledge and enthusiasm. So far it seems like a nice forum, which the Subaru forums tend to not be. Hope everyone here continues to take the high road. But more than that I hope that this vehicle does come to pass. I think we can agree that that would be a big win for many people for a number of different reasons.
 

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Thanks ecdriver711. It is a good place so far. I belong to NASIOC (North American Subaru Impreza Owner's Club) and Bimmerfest, as my current ride is a 2015 WRX and the two rides before that were BMW 335d's. So far the decency-to-jerk ratio is far higher here than on the NASIOC site and about even with Bimmerfest's diesel boards.

I'll be keeping the WRX for fun and driving the Elio for commuting.
 
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