Model 3 Vs Elio

John-b-gone said:

End of thread?? Probable not.

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John-b-gone said:

End of thread?? Probable not.

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well I hope so!!! :-(

Mel said:

At 684 the mile limit, the Elio can be refueled almost anywhere.
Can you say the same about the Tesla?

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That was kind of my point

Rickb said:

Cross country gas stops stops for me are usually 30 minutes or longer: top off the tank, pee, coffee, lunch and desert generally pushes it over 30 minutes. There is a Tesla Super charger next to my favorite coffee place down the street from where I live........so I will be able to charge my Model 3 at no charge/cost while having coffee most mornings. Although for the low number of miles I drive in a week a weekly charge would be sufficient.

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The charging stations are going to be a liability. You have to assume that they are working AND not occupied. That lesson will be learned during a travel heavy holiday in the next few years.

...and the average gas stop is NOT 30 minutes or longer. Not even close.

The electric car will need a 5 minute charge time to truly replace the gasoline engine.

And frankly, I don't see that in the next 5 years. The electric will be a local driver, more of a second car that the Elio.

When i own my own home, that's not under the laws of an HOA, with a garage, then I'll happily purchase an electric car, likely a Tesla.
Hell, I'll even install solar panels and a Tesla battery pack.

CrimsonEclipse said:

That was kind of my point



The charging stations are going to be a liability. You have to assume that they are working AND not occupied. That lesson will be learned during a travel heavy holiday in the next few years.

...and the average gas stop is NOT 30 minutes or longer. Not even close.

The electric car will need a 5 minute charge time to truly replace the gasoline engine.

And frankly, I don't see that in the next 5 years. The electric will be a local driver, more of a second car that the Elio.

When i own my own home, that's not under the laws of an HOA, with a garage, then I'll happily purchase an electric car, likely a Tesla.
Hell, I'll even install solar panels and a Tesla battery pack.

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1) I own an electric car and (until recently) lived in an apartment with no garage. Plugged into 110v outlet and charged every night no problem. Any home where you can park a car, you can charge a car.

2) The Chinese have started building electric shuttle buses that use capacitors instead of batteries. They charge wirelessly in about 5 minutes, and they've gotten up to a 12 mile range. Not stellar, I know; but my point is that technology is constantly advancing in amazing ways. Perhaps in the future all cars will run on super cheap capacitors, charged in-motion on induction highways.

That fact is that neither the Elio nor the Tesla Model 3 are for everyone as they each have limitations which some people may not be able, or want, to accommodate in their lives. Then again this can be said for just about any vehicle as each person has different requirements for their vehicles. I would have thought that those of us on this forum would be more aware of this fact as we are all here because we are interested in a vehicle which is being marketed primarily as an "&" vehicle as a way to overcome its perceived limitations.

I posted these elsewhere, but I was wondering...
Could we really make this interesting by changing the title of this thread to:

Model 3 Vs Toyota Mirai FCV Vs Elio?

What about it mods? Do you dare?

Three minute fill-up and 300 mile range...

3wheelin said:

Easy, never drive more than what the battery capacity can deliver (200+ miles). It's all about knowing it's limitations, grasshopper! Remember, it's not an ELIO! Will I drive the ELIO with 3 more people? Remember it's not Tesla Model 3!

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Not having driven electric (other than when going slow in my hybrid), does the car get slower as the charge gets lower like electric golf carts?

goofyone said:

That fact is that neither the Elio nor the Tesla Model 3 are for everyone as they each have limitations which some people may not be able, or want, to accommodate in their lives. Then again this can be said for just about any vehicle as each person has different requirements for their vehicles. I would have thought that those of us on this forum would be more aware of this fact as we are all here because we are interested in a vehicle which is being marketed primarily as an "&" vehicle as a way to overcome its perceived limitations.

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Perhaps we're a little defensive when other models are spoken of as superior rather than just different, particularly when the prices are so different.

Sethodine said:

1) I own an electric car and (until recently) lived in an apartment with no garage. Plugged into 110v outlet and charged every night no problem. Any home where you can park a car, you can charge a car.

2) The Chinese have started building electric shuttle buses that use capacitors instead of batteries. They charge wirelessly in about 5 minutes, and they've gotten up to a 12 mile range. Not stellar, I know; but my point is that technology is constantly advancing in amazing ways. Perhaps in the future all cars will run on super cheap capacitors, charged in-motion on induction highways.

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At the right price (<$10k), I could see an electric, even with it's low range. But they want as much or more than a traditional car which messes up the cost/benefit numbers. Besides, electricity isn't free and it's very volatile.

Marshall said:

At the right price (<$10k), I could see an electric, even with it's low range. But they want as much or more than a traditional car which messes up the cost/benefit numbers. Besides, electricity isn't free and it's very volatile.

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I've been fascinated by EVs for a long time, but never owned one because of the high cost and range anxiety. Now that battery cost is lower and range is greater it's become a viable 'and' vehicle choice for me and look forward to the experience. Do I think it's superior to gas powered awesome........no, but EV's have some personal advantages which I appreciate and am compelled to experience the minute I can afford and find one I like styling and performance wise.

Regarding your cost/benefit numbers comment, The voice in my head tells me the money I save on gas and routine maintenance over the lifetime of an EV like the SRK would pay for and or help to offset the cost of the vehicle over a 5 year period. When gas was $4.50/gal weekly filling my 15 gallon tank cost $67.50 X 52 weeks. Currently half that plus yearly routine maintenance. Gas prices are rising. Charging the EV with limited to no routine maintenance considerably less.

It's how I justify buying an EV for my personal use and won't know for certain until I have the experience. It could be the all time worst vehicle choice I ever made or best. I feel the same way about buying my Elio.