The Elio Standard Transmission

Ian442 · Jan 28, 2015

Manual clutch, are they going with a hydraulic clutch or cable operated one.

My Celica and Sunfire both have the slave/master cylinder operated clutches while my two Geo Metros, VW Rabbit, and Toyota Starlet had dry plate clutches.

wheaters · Jan 28, 2015

my two Geo Metros, VW Rabbit, and Toyota Starlet had dry plate clutches.

Do you mean cable operated clutches, rather than "dry" plate? I think most car clutches are dry plate type, only motorcycles and specialised vehicles such as farm tractors tend to have wet clutches (meaning they sit in an oil bath, rather than in air).

Ty · Jan 28, 2015

Johnny Acree said:
With the current funding news. Can any one see the manual transmission not being offered the first year?
I think I can.

The manual and the AMT are basically the same transmission. So, no, I can't see it not being offered.

goofyone · Jan 28, 2015

Ian442 said:
Manual clutch, are they going with a hydraulic clutch or cable operated one.

My Celica and Sunfire both have the slave/master cylinder operated clutches while my two Geo Metros, VW Rabbit, and Toyota Starlet had dry plate clutches.

This is a frequent question here. The vehicle will have a standard automotive transmission and dry clutch. The latest information we have from those who have asked at the Elio Motors tour events is that the clutch is cable operated. Cable operation is also the least expensive, but still perfectly fine, way to do this which is generally the way Elio Motors does things unless they have a specific reason not to.

wheaters · Jan 28, 2015

I prefer cable type.

I'm not a big fan of hydraulic clutches, especially some more modern designs with an integral hydraulic release bearing, rather than the older type with a release arm pushed by an external slave cylinder. With the old type, a leaking cylinder just needs unbolting and replacement. With the new design, a hydraulic leak probably means separating the transmission and replacing the whole clutch kit, due to contamination of the friction surfaces.

Been there, done that!

Ian442 · Jan 28, 2015

wheaters said:
Do you mean cable operated clutches, rather than "dry" plate? I think most car clutches are dry plate type, only motorcycles and specialised vehicles such as farm tractors tend to have wet clutches (meaning they sit in an oil bath, rather than in air).

You are correct sir. I mixed up what I meant. Thanks for fixing that for me, I appreciate that.

wheaters · Jan 28, 2015

You're very welcome

Ian442 · Jan 28, 2015

wheaters said:
I prefer cable type.

I'm not a big fan of hydraulic clutches, especially some more modern designs with an integral hydraulic release bearing, rather than the older type with a release arm pushed by an external slave cylinder. With the old type, a leaking cylinder just needs unbolting and replacement. With the new design, a hydraulic leak probably means separating the transmission and replacing the whole clutch kit, due to contamination of the friction surfaces.

Been there, done that!

I have too. Had to replace clutch slave cylinder and that was $300 part from the dealer. Took me a week to rip the car apart with my dad guiding me. Had I known he had an electric impact wrench at the time would have gone a lot faster.

NSTG8R · Jan 28, 2015

Ian442 said:
I have too. Had to replace clutch slave cylinder and that was $300 part from the dealer. Took me a week to rip the car apart with my dad guiding me. Had I known he had an electric impact wrench at the time would have gone a lot faster.

Impact wrenches used in the wrong way, will result in a lesson in broken bolt extraction

...and almost always on a bolt that requires you to tear half the car apart to get to (Some guy named Murphy says so.)

Ian442 · Jan 28, 2015

NSTG8R said:
Impact wrenches used in the wrong way, will result in a lesson in broken bolt extraction...and almost always on a bolt that requires you to tear half the car apart to get to (Some guy named Murphy says so.)

Haha. You are correct. I learned the hard way not to use them to bolt on bearing hubs and CV axles. D'oh !

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